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6 Nov 2002, 12:51 (Ref:422920)
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Massa joins Ferrari
According to reports in the Blick newspaper, Felipe Massa will replace Luciano Burti as 2nd Ferrari tester in 2003.
Burti told the paper that his contract for 2003 was not renewed, due to Massa's arrival in the team. Massa is under long term contract to Ferrari, so presumably this moves enables them to evaluate him at first hand. There has been no confirmation from Ferrari as yet. |
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6 Nov 2002, 13:02 (Ref:422924)
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This is surely a mistake by Ferrari. Massa is quick and could be very good at evaluating their crash protection, but as a development driver? I don't think so
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6 Nov 2002, 13:22 (Ref:422941)
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Sounds like a good description of Burti as well there Woodbine, Prost's 2001 crash protection was clearly working alright at Hockenheim and Spa. Ferrari are hoping to replace Burti with a better equivalent, Massa appears to be the more skilled of the two.
The intention, if this is true, is surely to use Badoer for car development, and Massa to develop as a driver for the long term, he can learn a lot from Schumacher. Ferrari obviously feel that he has promise but needs rounding before he can challenge for good results on a regular basis. |
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6 Nov 2002, 13:31 (Ref:422953)
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I cant believe Ferrari have chosen Massa, he has no car control what so ever. He spends more time in the gravel than on the black stuff.
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6 Nov 2002, 13:48 (Ref:422968)
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Shame for Burti, he has done a very solid job for Ferrari this year, what now for him?
Congrats on his upcoming marrige though! Strange choice to replace him with Massa, it's not like Ferrari can't keep them all on to further dominate in the future......... |
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6 Nov 2002, 13:54 (Ref:422975)
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Well, that needs confirmation.
Massa spoke on TV last night, in his training for the go-kart 500 miles, for Tic-tac team. He said that he is 90% certain that he'll be in the grid for 2003. :confused: |
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6 Nov 2002, 14:25 (Ref:422988)
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I can't really see a logical reason why Ferrari couldn't keep both of them. (other than becoming a Brazilian team that is
 )Anyway. Massa has potential. Doesn't have many little gray cells though. A year of scolarship in the best team can do no harm to him. I'm not sure what's worse: testing at Ferrari or driving for Arrows. COrrection. I AM sure what's better.
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6 Nov 2002, 15:37 (Ref:423024)
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It seems to me that Ferrari may be grooming him to take a race seat in the future, this could well have been agreed for some time and might be why Frentzen is in at Sauber.
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6 Nov 2002, 15:53 (Ref:423036)
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Someone at Ferrari likes Massa...I don't think he's that deserving of a test drive though.
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6 Nov 2002, 18:58 (Ref:423142)
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6 Nov 2002, 19:05 (Ref:423154)
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Yeah, that's one thing he has... and one he doesn't, is a cool head to accept team orders.
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6 Nov 2002, 19:31 (Ref:423179)
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Doesnt appear sound logic to replace Massa with Burti but then Ferrari are not logical at what they do.
I am suprised the main test driver (forgotten his name so he must be good) has stayed with Ferrari so long and not got a full time F1 drive. Personally I would rather drive a dust cart than drive for a bunch of arogant bunch who think fixing results is motor racing. Put that Schmacher bloke as test driver and bring in Button |
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6 Nov 2002, 19:38 (Ref:423185)
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Logic are not I would love to see massa behind the wheel of a ferrari 2002 just to see his lap times. I bet he wouldnt have to work as hard as he did with the sauber.
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6 Nov 2002, 19:38 (Ref:423186)
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I enjoyed watching Massa last year (sometimes for the right reasons, sometimes the wrong?
). I'm not sure how suited he is to testing. Although he is suited to racing - one of the few (the only?) drivers who managed to overtake at Imola this year! Joining Ferrari is a good move (if it's true), but how easy is it to get back into racing after testing nowadays. Panis did it and seet a trend, but drivers like Wurz and Gene haven't followed suit. I suppose it'll depend on how well he does... But if he reckons he will be on the grid, I wonder what he is talking about? |
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6 Nov 2002, 20:46 (Ref:423237)
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TGF retiring, perhaps?
 Nah, thought not.  Guy, the main test driver whose name you've forgotten is Luca Badoer. There are many of us who believe he has been overlooked, and that he should have a first team drive by now. Massa wasn't quite the revelation which many regarded he would be, but he did get the better of Nick on occasion. Still, he needs experience. Like Adam, I'm not quite sure how good he will be as a tester - and it will probably mean make or break in terms of whether or not he will return to the grid, I suppose. Only time will tell. |
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6 Nov 2002, 21:20 (Ref:423272)
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I can think of other people more deserving of Ferrari's praise (and race seats).
Did someone mention Fisichella? |
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6 Nov 2002, 21:55 (Ref:423318)
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Fisichella in the ferrari that sounds good
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6 Nov 2002, 22:07 (Ref:423324)
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6 Nov 2002, 23:08 (Ref:423364)
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I'd really love to see Gene and Wurz in seats again, but alas I fear it may not happen.
Massa has to impress at Ferrari - unfortunately I think his only hope if he goes to the Scuderia is in 2004 when TGF and the Schumi massive retire. |
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6 Nov 2002, 23:24 (Ref:423376)
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Well 'beggers can't be choosers' is the first thing that comes to mind.
A testing seat with the best team in F1 is'nt anything to snnez at, I'd offer my left you know what for that job (if I had'nt already used it as a teenage boy for someone ... errr... something else). |
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6 Nov 2002, 23:37 (Ref:423385)
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Massa may be in for a seasons testing and it may be very good for him because he's so young. Most ex F1 test drivers end up there as they lose drives and they have no where else to go. Massa is at the beginning of his career so he has plenty of time to sort himself out. Schumi will teach him a few things and if he starts consistently beating reubens times who do you think will end up partnering TFG? As far as Bononi's comment about not following team orders and moving obver for Heidfeld, well i thought that that was what half the posts on this forum have been about, the dominance of team orders over competition. he didn't move over for Nick and had comfortably outpaced him and he gets sacked for not moving over, yet in Austria reubens moved over and he got slagged for it because he was a pussy... make up your mind...
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6 Nov 2002, 23:40 (Ref:423390)
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I dont see this as a surprise at all..Massa has always been linked to Ferrari and this simply confirms what we already thought to be true...Ferrari are grooming Massa for a future race seat perhaps 2 years down the road.
Luciano Burti has done a great job - I think he's been super with the Bridgestone tyre program but I think its safe to say that Massa is the more talented of the two and is certainly more likely to make the race team. Btw, I dont see how Ferrari can lose in this scenario..Badoer is the one who does most of the development anyway...Burti was mostly testing tyres and I think Massa can easily fill his shoes. |
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7 Nov 2002, 06:31 (Ref:423540)
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Well, this has been rumoured for months now and it appears true, though I'll wait for conformation from the team.
I don't really get it though. Massa as a test driver??? He can barely keep it on the road as it is. |
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7 Nov 2002, 08:06 (Ref:423581)
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On whether it is good for him or not: It did work for Alonso at Renault. Although I think he was always destined to be a race driver at Renault and would have been a year earlier if they could have found a way. So it is probably a bit different.
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7 Nov 2002, 08:38 (Ref:423589)
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If Burti is unemployed for next year, the smart thing would be for one of the Michelin shod teams to sign him as tester.
With his experience of Bridgestone tyres and driving the Ferrari, surely his input would be valuable. Do we think Lauda could swallow his pride and sign him up at Jag (again) , if anyone needs to know what a decent F1 car feels like - it's them! |
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