WEC WEC 2023 Season - A new beginning! - Page 21

tomcug · 9 Sep 2023, 12:45 (Ref:4175808)

"On the No. 94, we had a lock of tires, so we had a flat spot and changed tires. When we came back into the window, it was raining. Even on the No. 93, we didn’t reach the right window."
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...lifying-tires/
Sounds reasonable.

Gerard C · 9 Sep 2023, 13:07 (Ref:4175813)

Ha, thank you tomcug. Haven't seen that. Interesting. Finot always far from BS. Godd to read. So far.

tomcug · 9 Sep 2023, 13:32 (Ref:4175815)

You're welcome

Let's hope for decent weather tomorrow.

RL17 · 9 Sep 2023, 13:45 (Ref:4175816)

Qualifying without tyre warmers pretty dull - not going to draw in a new audience

Gerard C · 9 Sep 2023, 13:55 (Ref:4175820)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomcug

Let's hope for decent weather tomorrow.

Accuweather say rather warm, 31° C, mainly sunny, some showers in the afternoon. If you "decent" means dry start, fully agreed!

veeten · 9 Sep 2023, 14:13 (Ref:4175822)

The real comparison is not with Monza, it's Spa. The same conditions pervades here as Spa, wet one second dry the next, and then raining yet again. If anything they should use their info and setup from Spa, and work according to that. It should help...

Gerard C · 9 Sep 2023, 14:20 (Ref:4175823)

OT: @tomcug: if I tell you the best lap was completed in 1'17"287, can you tell me the name of the driver? One clue: related to another thread and was in 2008. End of the OT. Sorry folks, hard to resist…

tomcug · 9 Sep 2023, 14:36 (Ref:4175826)

Felipe Massa

But no, I wasn't able to tell from memory, I only managed to find the information you asked for

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerard C

If you "decent" means dry start, fully agreed!

Yes, exactly what I meant.

Gerard C · 9 Sep 2023, 14:49 (Ref:4175829)

With a rather short track it will be tricky for some to stay in the same lap as the leader. Good news, only one car will be used as SC.

**Adam43** · 9 Sep 2023, 15:01 (Ref:4175832)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerard C

I wonder how they can explain the gap between the two Pugs.

Just a disrupted qualifying session. Poor driving, lockups and then they ran out of time to improve with the rain in the last sector at the end of the session.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomcug

"On the No. 94, we had a lock of tires, so we had a flat spot and changed tires. When we came back into the window, it was raining. Even on the No. 93, we didn’t reach the right window."
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...lifying-tires/
Sounds reasonable.

This

**Adam43** · 9 Sep 2023, 15:05 (Ref:4175833)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RL17

Qualifying without tyre warmers pretty dull - not going to draw in a new audience

It was pretty good in all. Just building through the session and taught us about warming them up to the race.

It’s endurance, qualifying is not key, all about building towards the important bit for the audience.

**Aysedasi** · 9 Sep 2023, 18:06 (Ref:4175850)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RL17

Qualifying without tyre warmers pretty dull - not going to draw in a new audience

Yeah, what we need is lots more Hyperpole style qualifying...... Sod the 'old' audience.....

Gerard C · 9 Sep 2023, 18:10 (Ref:4175852)

Yes its endurance. Sure qualifying is not key. But the gap between the first Toyota and any other car under the green flag will be of importance. And any penalty in time or worse a DT will mean one lap down if not more. Quite interesting to watch.

tomcug · 9 Sep 2023, 19:31 (Ref:4175875)

4 am race start for me, I plan to wake up on time but have to see how it works out in the end. Can be an interesting race, I hope Peugeout will put a stronger show than in qualy to make things more interesting.

RL17 · 9 Sep 2023, 23:20 (Ref:4175928)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Yeah, what we need is lots more Hyperpole style qualifying...... Sod the 'old' audience.....

Having got rid of old style qualifying which I liked it’s now pushed into a 15 min slot for TV. It’s a waste of 15 mins if first 5 mins everything is slow and last 5 mins is no change as too late for new set to warm up. It’s just bad TV - main showcase for getting people to watch race and it’s dull. Not keen on F1 races but F1 qualifying is a good show.

Showcase your product - not have first 5 mins of all over the place times and last 5 mins with no improvement

Compared to last years events it’s really bad. 10 mins might be better for each class or 30 with all cars on track but more chance for all cars to show their performance.

It’s endurance racing but qualifying is a pot shot on one or two laps when tyres on warm but not too old

Tyre warmers safer or more tyres per race so they warm up quicker

**Adam43** · 9 Sep 2023, 23:52 (Ref:4175936)

The solution is not to introduce something that then removes an aspect of the endurance race that adds interest and is an important part that makes it endurance. That I called it a solution is a misnomer. There is no problem that a solution is needed for.

If you can’t cope with five minutes of bedding in the tyres and getting into the qualifying you ain’t going to be able to cope with 6 hours! So we are saving these potential fans from wasting their time

In Hypercar the qualifying was ruined as a spectacle because the rain meant the last quarter of the session was irrelevant. How many fans did we lose because of that?!

Sorry for the mock outrage, but this is unimportant. No need to double down on this take

Toyotats03OUS · 10 Sep 2023, 01:29 (Ref:4175949)

how come there isn't a thread for the fuji race?

Toyotats03OUS · 10 Sep 2023, 02:05 (Ref:4175956)

Ferrari steamroll through the turn and forced everyone out. way to go! that could have been bad

**Adam43** · 10 Sep 2023, 02:05 (Ref:4175957)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toyotats03OUS

how come there isn't a thread for the fuji race?

You didn’t start one.

Anyway. Bedtime. Going to watch it all in the morn. Got live timing recording.

Enjoy, I hope it’s a good one.

Toyotats03OUS · 10 Sep 2023, 02:10 (Ref:4175959)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam43

You didn’t start one.

Anyway. Bedtime. Going to watch it all in the morn. Got live timing recording.

Enjoy, I hope it’s a good one.

. hahah sounds good. GN

tomcug · 10 Sep 2023, 02:12 (Ref:4175960)

Not the cleanest of starts, looked like both Toyotas got caught napping. Bad luck for the 5 car.

Gerard C · 10 Sep 2023, 02:54 (Ref:4175978)

Seems that Buemi and Molina have a strange view of honey moon though…

Gerard C · 10 Sep 2023, 03:00 (Ref:4175980)

Nice fight between the second Pug and the Vanwall. I wonder if French are making selfies now…

Gerard C · 10 Sep 2023, 03:05 (Ref:4175985)

For those having raised doubts about Porsche able to react the answer is coming…

tomcug · 10 Sep 2023, 03:09 (Ref:4175987)

What did the 5 get penalised for exactly?

Quote:

Any car entering the pits during these first three laps must
inform Race Control, and will only be allowed to enter the
pits in the two following cases:
1) Emergency pit stop
o The competitor will be allowed to refuel for 5 seconds
and/or replace (a) damaged tyre(s), and to repair the
associated damage.
o In this case, the Competitor must again enter the pit lane
as soon as the pit entry opens.

This?

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