Team Brawn GP - F1 Champion 2009

**Adam43** · 18 Oct 2009, 19:29 (Ref:2563940)

First season - wow.

**Born Racer** · 18 Oct 2009, 19:33 (Ref:2563946)

Well done to Brawn.

A fine job.

First season? Not in my opinion, but an impressive season by any standards, in a more competitive year in terms of the number of cars in with a shout of victory. Brawn rightly got that car superb out the box and that set them up nicely for their championship charge that some said unfairly turned into a limp in the latter half of the year.

elspethhardie · 18 Oct 2009, 19:33 (Ref:2563947)

Well done to all the team - and Ross' thank you to those who they had to make redundant was a lovely touch.

Clive Brown · 18 Oct 2009, 19:36 (Ref:2563951)

But has he already sold out to Mercedes for 2010?

**ghinzani** · 18 Oct 2009, 19:36 (Ref:2563952)

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Originally Posted by elspethhardie

Well done to all the team - and Ross' thank you to those who they had to make redundant was a lovely touch.

Ive often wondered, did they get decent pay offs because of the Honda money? Honda deserve kudos in the respectful way they have treated Ross Brawn and his staff through this and after IMO. Jenson is the undoubted star of the year, I dont know anyone who is not happy about his victory, a season we will all remember warmly. Good on you Jenson "started at Clay Pigeon" Button!

Marbot · 18 Oct 2009, 19:38 (Ref:2563958)

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Originally Posted by Clive Brown

But has he already sold out to Mercedes for 2010?

I think that the team will still be called 'Brawn GP'.

Well done to all involved for producing of a very good car.

**Bononi** · 18 Oct 2009, 19:50 (Ref:2563969)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

First season - wow.

Totally agree, WOW !

Ross Brawn is a winner in every way.

jab · 18 Oct 2009, 19:51 (Ref:2563973)

Ross is a genius. Whether he'll be able to repeat it next year or not is a different matter

Cougar · 18 Oct 2009, 19:56 (Ref:2563979)

Has a team ever done it in their 1st year? Even if it is just in name... (ignoring the 1st season)

Fox89 · 18 Oct 2009, 20:05 (Ref:2563987)

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Originally Posted by Cougar

Has a team ever done it in their 1st year? Even if it is just in name... (ignoring the 1st season)

Nope, it's a record! But it really is just in name, the team is basically just Honda.

Graz · 18 Oct 2009, 20:13 (Ref:2564001)

Well done but it's not a new team and I really do wish people would stop getting carried away by the hyperbole of 'new team wins in first season.' It's a team that has effectively been there and morphed over 40 odd years; Tyrrell-BAR-Honda-Brawn.

Next year there will be 3 genuinely new teams come in and this is how a new team really can expect to perform. I wouldn't put any money on any of them winning in what really will be their first season.

Clive Brown · 18 Oct 2009, 20:24 (Ref:2564019)

Given that they seemingly had a complete car from Honda and some seed corn funding for this year, it certainly makes sense for Brawn to have a major industry partner for 2010. However, I understand that most of the Grandee teams have two separate design teams, working year and year about on the cars, and I'm not sure if Brawn have had the resources to do this. Could it be that the need to have kept developing this year's car will already have fatally compromised the 2010 car, regardless of any deal with Stuttgart?

**bjohnsonsmith** · 18 Oct 2009, 20:25 (Ref:2564021)

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Originally Posted by Graz

Well done but it's not a new team and I really do wish people would stop getting carried away by the hyperbole of 'new team wins in first season.' It's a team that has effectively been there and morphed over 40 odd years; Tyrrell-BAR-Honda-Brawn.

Next year there will be 3 genuinely new teams come in and this is how a new team really can expect to perform. I wouldn't put any money on any of them winning in what really will be their first season.

I thought Ross Brawn was with Benneton and then Ferrari? I wasn't aware Honda were using Mercedes engines before the team folded?

Anyway congratualtions to Brawn GP on a first season win.

baclightning · 18 Oct 2009, 20:45 (Ref:2564044)

Even if you don't consider Brawn a new team, it's a team that had finished ninth in the previous season's championship, and then won a title. No matter how you slice it, that's a remarkable achievement.

jab · 18 Oct 2009, 21:29 (Ref:2564076)

And a team that until February didn't know if it was going to be saved or not

Graz · 18 Oct 2009, 21:45 (Ref:2564083)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I thought Ross Brawn was with Benneton and then Ferrari? I wasn't aware Honda were using Mercedes engines before the team folded?

What are you talking about?

The Tyrrell Team was bought out by BAR who in turn were bought out by Honda and ultimately Brawn. It is a team and infrastructure that has been in place for years (regardless of where Ross Brawn personally was as opposed to the team that uses his name...)

It is not a new team who started from scratch, had to go and source a building, personnel, build a car from scratch themselves, had years of data built up etc. etc.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 18 Oct 2009, 22:11 (Ref:2564096)

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Originally Posted by Graz

regardless of where Ross Brawn personally was as opposed to the team that uses his name...

What's that supposed to mean? He just rebadged the Honda team?

Considering he had to source a new engine, lay off staff, redevelop the car and in such a short period of time; for all intents and purposes it is new a team.

joe rossi · 18 Oct 2009, 23:20 (Ref:2564132)

Surely Ross deserves at least on OBE or CBE...

Fantastic achievement, whether you argue about or being a new team, a re-badged Honda (with a Merc engine?) or whatever.

Great to finally have a good news story in F1 after the soap opera we have had this season.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 18 Oct 2009, 23:26 (Ref:2564139)

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Originally Posted by joe rossi

Surely Ross deserves at least on OBE or CBE...

Fantastic achievement, whether you argue about or being a new team, a re-badged Honda (with a Merc engine?) or whatever.

Great to finally have a good news story in F1 after the soap opera we have had this season.

Couldn't agree more.

Nicholas · 19 Oct 2009, 00:06 (Ref:2564162)

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Originally Posted by Graz

Well done but it's not a new team and I really do wish people would stop getting carried away by the hyperbole of 'new team wins in first season.' It's a team that has effectively been there and morphed over 40 odd years; Tyrrell-BAR-Honda-Brawn.

You're almost right. BAR might have taken over Tyrell's franchise spot from 1999, but that aside, BAR were so keen to mark themselves out as a new team, and so confident in their ability to make waves in the F1 world, that they built a new factory and recruited new personnel. Obviously they were hoping to build a team that was born to win.

It's only taken them ten years.

Congratulations, Brawn GP.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 19 Oct 2009, 00:25 (Ref:2564170)

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Originally Posted by Nicholas

You're almost right. BAR might have taken over Tyrell's franchise spot from 1999, but that aside, BAR were so keen to mark themselves out as a new team, and so confident in their ability to make waves in the F1 world, that they built a new factory and recruited new personnel. Obviously they were hoping to build a team that was born to win.

It's only taken them ten years.

Congratulations, Brawn GP.

And Honda bailed and Ross Brawn turned it around, in such a short space of time and made it a completely different team, from the team that morphed from Tyrrell ten years or so ago, so a big Congratulations to Brawn GP.

kartracer41 · 19 Oct 2009, 00:42 (Ref:2564174)

Congrats to Brawn. He is great at what he does. I am not sure what to expect for next year.

But for this year's championships....congrats to the double decker diffuser.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 19 Oct 2009, 00:51 (Ref:2564179)

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Originally Posted by kartracer41

Congrats to Brawn. He is great at what he does. I am not sure what to expect for next year.

But for this year's championships....congrats to the double decker diffuser.

They all used them, or a variation of them towards the end of the season.

**Born Racer** · 19 Oct 2009, 01:35 (Ref:2564195)

I've stuck this to the top, as the drivers championship thread is also up here.

ECW Dan Selby · 19 Oct 2009, 08:46 (Ref:2564327)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

They all used them, or a variation of them towards the end of the season.

Yeh I think the point he was making was more how savvy Ross was with it. The fact he even informed the other teams that this would be the case prior to the season is even funnier..

Selby

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