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Gerard C · 12 Jun 2023, 07:47 (Ref:4163292)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

But I see no real future for this car.

With some adjustments and a favourable BoP I think it does have a future. May be they need a new "no rear wing" category yet to be invented…

Matador · 12 Jun 2023, 09:39 (Ref:4163301)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

With some adjustments and a favourable BoP I think it does have a future. May be they need a new "no rear wing" category yet to be invented…

Honestly, I think that with further refinements the concept may actually be viable. We will see.

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Originally Posted by deggis

How much of the mixed/wet conditions performance was up to the lower minimum speed of ERS deployment? (150km/h, while 190km/h for Ferrari and Toyota)

I agree the had better(lower) front axle engagement speed possibly had some to do with it as well.

Gerard C · 12 Jun 2023, 09:49 (Ref:4163303)

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Originally Posted by Matador

I agree the had better(lower) front axle engagement speed possibly had some to do with it as well.

The ap' for this, its called BoP. Each team is trying to cut a bigger part of the pie behind a heavy curtain. Hence sandbagging sometimes. They said they dont intend to design a new car, not worth the money, more likely will improve the existing one. Remember the entire world laughing at the Yellow Tea-Pots?

**joeb** · 12 Jun 2023, 16:42 (Ref:4163387)

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Originally Posted by deggis

How much of the mixed/wet conditions performance was up to the lower minimum speed of ERS deployment? (150km/h, while 190km/h for Ferrari and Toyota)

I don't think I was aware of Peugeot having a different ERS deployment speed than Toyota and Ferrari. Has it been like this all season? and why?

Gerard C · 12 Jun 2023, 18:15 (Ref:4163411)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I don't think I was aware of Peugeot having a different ERS deployment speed than Toyota and Ferrari.

You should read Adam's posts…

veeten · 12 Jun 2023, 18:22 (Ref:4163412)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I don't think I was aware of Peugeot having a different ERS deployment speed than Toyota and Ferrari. Has it been like this all season? and why?

Mainly, it has to do with two things; tire size and weight distribution. The Pug was built with the original rules, which allowed for 50/50 weight distribution so they went with a equal size tire setup all around 31/71x18. When the rules changed by '22, the Toyota went with the 29/71 F and 34/71 R, which is where Ferrari also went for. Unfortunately, for Peugeot, the cost to make changes to go with the change was too much and too late, so they stuck with what they had. It also ties in with the deployment of the front Hybrid system which is 150 km/h for Peugeot, and 190km/h for Toyota and Ferrari.

**joeb** · 12 Jun 2023, 20:15 (Ref:4163428)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

You should read Adam's posts…

Oh no, now I'm in trouble with Adam for not paying enough attention!

I know I still have Le Mans on the brain because I just glanced at the thermometer and it read 93° and all i thought of was "what position is the Peugeot in now?"

**Adam43** · 13 Jun 2023, 02:30 (Ref:4163466)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Oh no, now I'm in trouble with Adam for not paying enough attention!

Is that worse than posting about bread in the wrong thread?

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Originally Posted by deggis

How much of the mixed/wet conditions performance was up to the lower minimum speed of ERS deployment? (150km/h, while 190km/h for Ferrari and Toyota)

The 150km/h must have helped.

As a reminder here it is: https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=281

Peugeot has always been 150km/h and Toyota and Ferrari 190km/h. In 2021 Toyota was 120km/h (dry) and higher in the wet IIRC.

I do not know the reason why? It was always obvious the Peugeot was a shitbox?

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Originally Posted by veeten

Mainly, it has to do with two things; tire size and weight distribution. The Pug was built with the original rules, which allowed for 50/50 weight distribution so they went with a equal size tire setup all around 31/71x18. When the rules changed by '22, the Toyota went with the 29/71 F and 34/71 R, which is where Ferrari also went for. Unfortunately, for Peugeot, the cost to make changes to go with the change was too much and too late, so they stuck with what they had. It also ties in with the deployment of the front Hybrid system which is 150 km/h for Peugeot, and 190km/h for Toyota and Ferrari.

This ties with the differences Toyota/Ferrari and Peugeot, and Toyota's change to have the 190km/h. Thanks.

https://toyotagazooracing.com/wec/ca...20size%20tires.

I'd forgotten they'd changed for 2022, I thought it was for 2023.

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Originally Posted by joeb

I know I still have Le Mans on the brain because I just glanced at the thermometer and it read 93° and all i thought of was "what position is the Peugeot in now?"

Ha!

I've found I've had to play The Cult every hour today.

Gerard C · 13 Jun 2023, 05:11 (Ref:4163471)

Weight distribution they say… well… I mean…ya no… and stuff… By the way, how do they mesure this weight distribution? Because, I've been told, recently, that those cars have some aero. If the WD is kif-kif la bourrique when the car is stationary what happens at, say, 149 kph? When you see the influence of a one inch gurney! Just sayin… asking for a friend…

E.B · 13 Jun 2023, 05:58 (Ref:4163473)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

Weight distribution they say… well… I mean…ya no… and stuff… By the way, how do they mesure this weight distribution? Because, I've been told, recently, that those cars have some aero. If the WD is kif-kif la bourrique when the car is stationary what happens at, say, 149 kph? When you see the influence of a one inch gurney! Just sayin… asking for a friend…

Weight distribution? Dont forget to take into account a couple of kilos on the front for a large squirrel the #8 swallowed.

Pascal Vasselon explained Hirakawa’s pace was severely compromised when he ran over a “not a very small” squirrel.

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“Just after one of these moments where we were competitive, Ryo has hit a squirrel. It was probably not a very small one because it has done big damage to the front end."
“He was in trouble until the end of the stint when we could change the complete front end.”

That explains the squirrely handling.

Edit: Just realised this is the Peugeot thread... I thought it was Toyota talk....

Gerard C · 13 Jun 2023, 06:30 (Ref:4163474)

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Originally Posted by E.B

That explains the squirrely handling.

Ha you're talking about Huno-the-Squirrel here. There could be an investigation coming from our "Greens". For their defense teams could say not only it was a big one but he looked angry, fearce and rabid too! Anyone knows about his registration number or if he was wearing a Ferrari T-shirt? Isn't this "total" story a little bit hard to swallow, unless you drive a japanese car?

Quel plaisir de te lire, Mon Ami, je vois que tu es en grande forme!

hondafan37 · 6 Jul 2023, 18:03 (Ref:4166992)

Peugeot Evaluating Multiple 9X8 Development Options Ahead Of 2024

https://www.dailysportscar.com/2023/...d-of-2024.html

JT240Z · 6 Jul 2023, 18:27 (Ref:4166997)

Looks like they're still planning to continue the no rear wing concept. Will be interesting to see what direction they go in. I kind of like the look of no rear wing. Gives it a cleaner/sleaker look.

Gerard C · 6 Jul 2023, 19:16 (Ref:4167003)

What is said is that they can't raise more money for a new car or major developments. Should you make a mix of Toyota and Pug, I think that the result could be very close to a Ferrari. The best friends the French team has are the resurfaced circuits and the track limits enforcement. When one lost its front end at LM in the long straight it was obvious that the suspension travel is really high. At the end of the day the good results they obtain in the wind tunnel must be race proven.

S griffin · 7 Jul 2023, 08:16 (Ref:4167031)

Obviously Peugeot feel there is still something to gain from no rear wing. They wouldn't do it just for the sake of being innovative. Let's hope they find the right combo for it

RL17 · 8 Jul 2023, 09:51 (Ref:4167159)

Good show from them today

Gerard C · 8 Jul 2023, 15:58 (Ref:4167212)

Yes. Three tenths from provisional pole is close.

Gerard C · 9 Jul 2023, 06:43 (Ref:4167290)

Hypercars only Q "side" results:
Sector 1 best B Hartley 30"410, JE Vergne 30"514 (3rd);
Sector 2 best K Kobayashi 32"535 , JE Vergne 32"756 (5th) ;
Sector 3 best A Fuoco 32 32"139, JE Vergne 32"302 (5th).
Best top speed B Hartley 315,8 kph, JE Vergne 310,3 kph (6th). Jean Éric Vergne at Monza is the best driver Peugeot have, faster and more consistent, may be his experience in FE pays there. From the poor images I saw it seemed that the gurneys are higher than were in LM. Anyone to correct this?

**Adam43** · 9 Jul 2023, 14:11 (Ref:4167435)

And (at least) a bit of time in the lead! (Hour 1 comment)

**skycafe** · 9 Jul 2023, 14:16 (Ref:4167437)

Don't they know they don't have a rear wing?

The continued gearbox selection issues seems puzzling that they can't fully resolve

**Bentley03** · 9 Jul 2023, 14:17 (Ref:4167438)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

...From the poor images I saw it seemed that the gurneys are higher than were in LM. Anyone to correct this?

I thought maybe it was just my imagination, but I share your perception, although I can't confirm or deny.

Gerard C · 9 Jul 2023, 15:12 (Ref:4167461)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

The continued gearbox selection issues seems puzzling that they can't fully resolve

Official reason. Back in the day, in F1, each time they throw a conrod out of the block without spannering PR people used to say it was a leaking hose coming out from the gearbox. Watta hose! It will work one day. When is another question…

Gerard C · 9 Jul 2023, 16:39 (Ref:4167536)

Encouraging result. Well done.

GT6 · 9 Jul 2023, 17:00 (Ref:4167545)

Finally they get a decent result, long overdue in my opinion

**Adam43** · 9 Jul 2023, 23:09 (Ref:4167653)

That was alright. Well done Peugeot.

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