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Old 9 Jun 2009, 06:59 (Ref:2478155)   #626
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Are you officially allowed to build up a car around a new tub these days? I remember it happened to Peugeot back in 1993 (when apparently it wasn't allowed...... )
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 08:40 (Ref:2478201)   #627
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There are already 2 Speedy cars.
You know what I mean - a second Speedy car either in P1 or P2

@Ayse: Well, it happened to Peugeot at the test day last year as well, didn't it?
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 09:57 (Ref:2478242)   #628
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Rules are most definitely made to be bent - aren't they?
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 10:05 (Ref:2478250)   #629
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Just checking - as far as we know, are there any berths in any of the teams still to be decided now?
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 11:58 (Ref:2478329)   #630
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Just checking - as far as we know, are there any berths in any of the teams still to be decided now?
By my reckoning, other than the JLOC semi-mystery, no

LMP1
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2) Audi Sport North America - Audi R15 - Lucas Luhr/Mike Rockenfeller/Marco Werner
3) Audi Sport Team Joest - Audi R15 - Timo Bernhard/Romain Dumas/Alexandre Premat
4) Creation Autosportif - Creation-Judd - Jamie Campbell-Walter/Vanina Ickx/Romain Iannetta
6) Team LNT - Ginetta-Zytek - Lawrence Tomlinson/Richard Dean/Nigel Moore
7) Team Peugeot Total - Peugeot 908 - Nicolas Minassian/Pedro Lamy/Christian Klien
8) Team Peugeot Total - Peugeot 908 - Franck Montagny/Stephane Sarrizan/Sebastien Bourdais
9) Peugeot Sport Total - Peugeot 908 - Marc Gene/Alexander Wurz/David Brabham
10) Team ORECA Matmut AIM - ORECA-AIM - Stephane Ortelli/Bruno Senna/Tiago Monteiro
11) Team ORECA Matmut AIM - ORECA-AIM - Olivier Panis/Nicolas Lapierre/Soheil Ayari
12) Signature Plus - Courage-Judd - Pierre Ragues/Franck Mailleux/Didier Andre
13) Speedy Racing Team Sebah - Lola-Aston Martin - Andrea Belicchi/Neel Jani/Nicolas Prost
14) Kolles - Audi R10 - Narain Karthikeyan/Charles Zwolsman/Andre Lotterer
15) Kolles - Audi R10 - Christian Bakkerud/Christijan Albers/Giorgio Mondini
16) Pescarolo Sport - Pescarolo-Judd - Bruce Jouanny/Joao Barbosa/Christophe Tinseau
17) Pescarolo Sport - Peugeot 908 - Simon Pagenaud/Benoit Treluyer/Jean-Christophe Boullion
23) Strakka Racing - Ginetta-Zytek - Peter Hardman/Nick Leventis/Danny Watts
007) AMR Eastern Europe - Lola-Aston Martin - Jan Charouz/Tomas Enge/Stefan Mucke
008) Aston Martin Racing - Lola-Aston Martin - Darren Turner/Anthony Davidson/Jos Verstappen
009) Aston Martin Racing - Lola-Aston Martin - Stuart Hall/Harold Primat/Peter Kox

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5) NAVI Team Goh - Porsche RS Spyder - Sascha Maassen/Seiji Ara/Keisuke Kunimoto
24) OAK Racing - Pescarolo-Mazda - Jacques Nicolet/Richard Hein/Jean-Francois Yvon
25) RML - Lola-Mazda - Mike Newton/Tommy Erdos/Chris Dyson
26) Bruichladdich Bruneau - Radical-AER - Pierre Bruneau/Marc Rostan/Tim Greaves
30) Racing Box - Lola-Judd - Matteo Bobbi/Andrea Piccini/Thomas Biagi
31) Team Essex - Porsche RS Spyder - Emmanuel Collard/Casper Elgaard/Kristian Poulsen
32) Barazi Epsilon - Zytek - Juan Barazi/Stuart Moseley/Phil Bennett
33) Speedy Racing Team Sebah - Lola-Judd - Jonny Kane/Benjamin Leuenberger/Xavier Pompidou
35) OAK Racing - Pescarolo-Mazda - Mathieu Lahaye/Karim Aljani/Guillaume Moreau
39) Kruse Schiller Motorsport - Lola-Mazda - Matthew Marsh/Hideki Noda/Jean de Pourtales
40) Quifel-ASM Team - Ginetta-Zytek - Miguel Pais do Amaral/Olivier Pla/Guy Smith
41) GAC Racing Team - Zytek - Karim Ojjeh/Claude-Yves Gosselin/Philipp Peter

GT1
63) Corvette Racing - Chevrolet Corvette C6.R - Johnny O'Connell/Jan Magnussen/Antonio Garcia
64) Corvette Racing - Chevrolet Corvette C6.R - Oliver Gavin/Olivier Beretta/Marcel Fassler
66) JetAlliance Racing - Aston Martin DBR9 - Lukas Lichtner-Hoyer/Thomas Gruber/Alex Muller
68) JLOC Isao Noritake - Lamborghini Murcielago - Atsushi Yogo/Yutaka Yamagishi/Marco Apicella
72) Luc Alphand Aventures - Chevrolet Corvette C6.R - Luc Alphand/Patrice Goueslard/Stephan Gregoire
73) Luc Alphand Aventures - Chevrolet Corvette C6.R - Julien Jousse/Xavier Maassen/Yann Clairay

GT2
70) IMSA Performance Matmut - Porsche 911 GT3 RSR - Michel Lecourt/Horst Felbermayr Jr/Horst Felbermayr Sr
75) Endurance Asia Team - Porsche 911 GT3 RSR - Darryl O'Young/Philippe Hesnault/Plamen Kralev
76) IMSA Performance Matmut - Porsche 911 GT3 RSR - Raymond Narac/Patrick Pilet/Patrick Long
77) Team Felbermayr-Proton - Porsche 911 GT3 RSR - Marc Lieb/Richard Lietz/Wolf Henzler
78) AF Corse - Ferrari F430 GT - Gianmaria Bruni/Luis Perez Companc/Matias Russo
80) Flying Lizard Motorsport - Porsche 911 GT3 RSR - Jorg Bergmeister/Darren Law/Seth Neiman
81) Team Seattle Advanced Engineering - Ferrari F430 GT - Joe Foster/Patrick Dempsey/Don Kitch Jr
82) Risi Competizione - Ferrari F430 GT - Jaime Melo Jr/Pierre Kaffer/Mika Salo
83) Risi Competizione - Ferrari F430 GT - Tracy Krohn/Nic Jonsson/Eric van de Poele
84) Team Modena - Ferrari F430 GT - Leo Mansell/Pierre Ehret/Roman Rusinov
85) Snoras Spyker Squadron - Spyker C8 Laviolette - Tom Coronel/Jarek Janis/Jeroen Bleekemolen
87) Drayson Racing - Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Paul Drayson/Jonny Cocker/Marino Franchitti
89) Hankook-Team Farnbacher - Ferrari F430 GT - Dominik Farnbacher/Allan Simonsen/Christian Montanari
92) JMW Motorsport - Ferrari F430 GT - Rob Bell/Tim Sugden/Andrew Kirkaldy
96) Virgo Motorsport - Ferrari F430 GT - Sean McInerney/Michael McInerney/Michael Vergers
97) BMS Scuderia Italia - Ferrari F430 GT - Paolo Ruberti/Matteo Malucelli/Fabio Babini
99) JMB Racing - Ferrari F430 GT - Manuel Rodriguez/Yvan Lebon/Christophe Bouchut
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 13:38 (Ref:2478391)   #631
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Are you officially allowed to build up a car around a new tub these days? I remember it happened to Peugeot back in 1993 (when apparently it wasn't allowed...... )
well, it's not official...
but IMSA in 2006 and JLOC in 2007 prooved it's still possible
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 14:49 (Ref:2478426)   #632
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New tub or not able to race it's an easy decision for me: new tub.
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 15:35 (Ref:2478457)   #633
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whats doing a fake chinese team in lemans? discusting!!! a french team painted in chinese. thats trying to make fool of china. pathetic for china. makin fun of asia! plus darryl o'young isnt chinese. he is canadian. call him hongkonger and i shut up. thats pretty bad for china. maybe mathew marsch is chinese too. whats coming next? the organiser cant let this things happen. chinese are not stupid
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 16:14 (Ref:2478484)   #634
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Well, the blurb suggests that this is supposed to be a toe in the water for a full Chinese effort - next year presumably. It does seem a shame though after Frankie Cheng's great showing last year that someone didn't have the good sense to draft him into this car......
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 19:53 (Ref:2478646)   #635
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Are you officially allowed to build up a car around a new tub these days? I remember it happened to Peugeot back in 1993 (when apparently it wasn't allowed...... )
At the beginning of the "Sporting regulations", we can read :"Note :
a) Reserve cars are not permitted ;
b) Eligibility of a car is the responsibility of the ACO which, for
newly-built cars, will carry out a technical inspection prior to filling
in the homologation form."
see there :http://www.lemans.org/sport/sport/re...ortif_2009.pdf
So I think they are officially allowed.
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At the beginning of the "Sporting regulations", we can read :"Note :
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b) Eligibility of a car is the responsibility of the ACO which, for
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see there :http://www.lemans.org/sport/sport/re...ortif_2009.pdf
So I think they are officially allowed.
Well, I do not think that is the rule that covers what is being put forth. That rule I believe is for a car that has not been homologated (totally new car, not just a new copy/chassis of an existing homologated car) and its going through tech before it has been homologated being allowed into the race by the ACO.

The building up of a new car (tub), with all the usable ancillaries of a destroyed car (tub damaged beyond reasonable repair in the time frame left) comes under the ruling of Force Majeur.


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Well, the blurb suggests that this is supposed to be a toe in the water for a full Chinese effort - next year presumably. It does seem a shame though after Frankie Cheng's great showing last year that someone didn't have the good sense to draft him into this car......
Who says they didn't try?
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 21:08 (Ref:2478701)   #638
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If they don't tell us, we assume - same as in everything else in life...... I can hardly believe Frankie priced himself out of the market.....
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WHo's to say that Frankie wants a GT drive - Pretty certain btw that he drove at the Ring 24 Hours
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 21:41 (Ref:2478720)   #641
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Perhaps you'd better ask him Graham.......then we'd know for sure!
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See DSC are positing that the WR might be allowed to run laps on Wednesday just in case there are any cases of force majeure driven withdrawals. Obviously be very sad to see anyone pull out at this late stage, but it would be nice to see a WR back on the ground it's made for.
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Yup, he was in one of the Sciroccos, finished in 20th.
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Well, the blurb suggests that this is supposed to be a toe in the water for a full Chinese effort - next year presumably. It does seem a shame though after Frankie Cheng's great showing last year that someone didn't have the good sense to draft him into this car......
frankies is broken down. sponsor gone. money doesnt lie on him anymore. he races in german 24h cause vw china pays for him. cause frankies got no cent isnt reason to mount a fake chinese team in lemans. dont think they will hav support from the chinese!!! i hope they dont put the CHINA flag in the car. thats offensive.
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See DSC are positing that the WR might be allowed to run laps on Wednesday just in case there are any cases of force majeure driven withdrawals. Obviously be very sad to see anyone pull out at this late stage, but it would be nice to see a WR back on the ground it's made for.
This would be one instance where the ACO's penchant for bending the rules in favour of French teams would meet with my wholehearted approval.

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frankies is broken down. sponsor gone. money doesnt lie on him anymore. he races in german 24h cause vw china pays for him. cause frankies got no cent isnt reason to mount a fake chinese team in lemans. dont think they will hav support from the chinese!!! i hope they dont put the CHINA flag in the car. thats offensive.
Yeah - how dare they try to boost interest in endurance racing in a new market!
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Nice story on DSC about Endurance Asia during scrutineering. ACO tried to find a local entry but couldn't find any able to invest completely so that's where Thierry Perrier came in with some Chinese backing. His objective is for the team to become increasingly Asian. The team presentation photos already shows the 4 Chinese crew members that were brought it and they hope to compete during the second half of the year.
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I found out at Le Mans that Hexis had entered a DBR9 in GT1 , but were refused an entry .

And , the Lambo , was the same chassis that was crashed at Le mans in 2007 , with a road car arse end grafted onto it for 2009 . The team (T2M) were led to believe that they were supposed to be running the latest spec chassis and the ACO were led to believe the same thing too . The team said that when they finally got their hands on the car not one single nut & bolt was tight !!!

That shower of XXXXXXX ..... they should be banned for all their bull !!!

They got in because of promotion for the new Asian LM series was the story .
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I found out at Le Mans that Hexis had entered a DBR9 in GT1 , but were refused an entry .

And , the Lambo , was the same chassis that was crashed at Le mans in 2007 , with a road car arse end grafted onto it for 2009 . The team (T2M) were led to believe that they were supposed to be running the latest spec chassis and the ACO were led to believe the same thing too . The team said that when they finally got their hands on the car not one single nut & bolt was tight !!!

That shower of XXXXXXX ..... they should be banned for all their bull !!!

They got in because of promotion for the new Asian LM series was the story .
YEH EXACLTY! we all know the Joke-loc team were there to promote the asian Le Mans series , i would of rather had Labre there with the saleen.
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Ah that stinks if that is indeed true. I mean it already stinks that Larbre was passed over by Jloc but to think we could have had a Hexis-run car, even though they would be making a huge leap from GT2/GT3 to GT1 is also disappointing.
In the end there's always a bit of marketing and business behind some entries. We can only be happy that it's not a constant thing nor is it something that haunts a majority of the entry list.
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