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M-Sport have also run Bentley too
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It would be far too expensive to design a complete new engine. It will be based on a manufacturers existing engine. If it is indeed based on the Ford EcoBoost engine, it will be interesting to see how it compares to the Mountune engine. |
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To get that level of power from a 1.4 or 1.6 litre engine would be very expensive and or not very reliable in expecting it to last a race weekend without the need for a rebuild, let alone a full race season.
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What's wrong with half a Bentley Continental GT3 motor as a base? It's a 4 litre twin turbo V8, so just chop it in half and it fits all the criteria
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Meant to say - I'm not sure if the image from M-Sport is a Ford unit, but I can see the similarities.
Although I think it's still not certain if the image is of the planned engine, or just a stock image. I'd expect it to be developed from something that already exists, and the Ford unit would make sense. Although I guess it could also be something nearer 1.4/1.5 litre that aligns with other engines typically seen on the forecourt? |
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And a bank of a Bentley 4.0 V8 is essentially a 4 pot 2.0 turbo engine... probably utilising lots of shared VW group technologies.
Maybe we'll get a change in engine formula, but I doubt we'll see a capacity drop. Most brands have a 2.0 turbo of some description. |
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That ‘Bentley’ V8 motor is actually an Audi engine...
Wouldn’t surprise me at all if new BTCC engine was smaller capacity, which seems to be the way of the world. |
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But if there's a change in engine size then everyone will have to develop their own new motor (or will TOCA insist that everyone uses the stock engine the same as they all have to use the stock suspension?) That doesn't sound like a cheap option to me.
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The Honda, Ford, BMW and TOCA units all produce different levels of power without performance adjustments being made. They also go through analysis at the start of the season to 'equalise', and then are subject to ongoing adjustment through the season to 'equalise' further. If, for instance, the new engine was a 1.5L or 1.6L unit producing similar figures to current (approx. 380bhp?), then all engines would go through the same equalisation process as they currently do surely? Honda, Ford and BMW would still be able to continue with their current units (so no extra expense), and be subject to adjustments applied to boost levels against the TOCA benchmark (so no more complicated than now). |
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My brain thinks that if the power unit is to have showroom relevance it will be smaller than 2 litre. But what showroom relevance exists in a BTCC car? Just a silhouette with big bumpers and arches in reality.
However, RS67s point about 380 hp out of a, say, 1.6 lump is right - I don't think anybody could produce that reliably. But of course technology moves on, and the 350 hp on the last Focus RS road car raised many eyebrows - as did the 270 on the last Astra VXR a few years previously. So I wouldn't rule a smaller unit out. Financially it will be based on somebody's product, the cost of design and development of an engine is astronomical - to create a specific engine for a race series is a non starter - the cost to teams would be far too high or it would have to be subsidised. Neither of which will happen. I guess we'll see, but if I were a gambling man I'd wager a Ford lump heavily modified. |
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Just looking at what M-Sport are currently supporting, they describe the Fiesta WRC engine as:
'the Ford Fiesta WRC is M-Sport's top-specification rally car – producing 380 bhp and 450 Nm of torque from its bespoke Ecoboost-powered 1600cc direct injection engine.' Obviously it's all speculation at the moment, but my money would be on that engine being the starting point.... https://d1d5ae37-f9f7-471a-94be-cbd6...bfe53380d7.pdf ENGINE: Ford EcoBoost 1600cc direct injection engine developed by M-Sport and Ford. Four cylinders, 16 valves. Bore 83.0mm. Stroke 73.9mm. Cosworth electronic engine management system. Garrett turbocharger with 36 mm inlet restrictor. Air intercooler. Catalytic converter. POWER: 380 bhp TORQUE: 450 Nm |
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