[BTCC] BTCC 2020 season discussion, News and Rumours!

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by andy97

But that advert is from January, well before this decision was announced.

Yes - the day after TOCA publicly announced the tender process as open.

[crmalcolm]

Turns out it will be a 2L unit. Just noticed the following from the tender process:

'The engine must be designed to comply with 2020 technical regulations, which specify a turbocharged 2.0-litre, four-cylinder in-line unit that fits all current cars, while simultaneously considering the forthcoming integration of hybrid systems in the BTCC.'

[andy97]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Yes - the day after TOCA publicly announced the tender process as open.

Sure but a long time before the tender winner was announced and 2 years before the current TOCA engine is obsolete.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by andy97

Sure but a long time before the tender winner was announced and 2 years before the current TOCA engine is obsolete.

I know. But possibly also the day after they knew that they wouldn't be competing for the tender.

Either way, is it really that important? It's just an observation....

[S griffin]

It’s interesting that Brands GP will be before the Indy circuit for the first time in 10 years. It will make for an intriguing final on the Indy circuit

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Yes - the day after TOCA publicly announced the tender process as open.

Swindon have been selling used NGTC spec engines for years. I doubt the timing of the advert is anything more than pure co-incidence.

[Spanner monkey]

Most teams will lease the engines from Swindon so it won't be a big headache to change to a 2.0ltr M-Sport engine over the winter. Wont be derived from the 1.6 WRC engine as that was developed along the global engine rules which WRC/WTCC used. RML wouldn't sell you a 1.6t (Used in the chevy)but they would lease you one

[medius]

Swindon will sell anyone a''turnkey'' NGTC unit for £25k, thats always been the RRP. People are forgetting that the TOCA engine isn't the only option, you can go buy one from NBE, Mountune, Ric Wood, Scholar, Swimdon, anybody. M-Sport are just the 'defacto' supplier not sole supplier of engines.

[mjcapri]

I’d be very surprised if it’s not based on Ford’s 2.0 Ecoboost, it seems logical on more than one level.

If that is the case I do wonder if Motorbase will continue with Mountune or whether they’ll swap to the TOCA unit. Interesting....

In terms of forecourt relevance, not all engines are getting smaller. The new Focus ST actually uses a 2.3 in place of the old models 2.0. I believe it was easier to hit the required emissions figures this way and the 2.3 obviously already existed, but it’s just an example.

[RS67]

Originally Posted by mjcapri

I’d be very surprised if it’s not based on Ford’s 2.0 Ecoboost, it seems logical on more than one level.

If that is the case I do wonder if Motorbase will continue with Mountune or whether they’ll swap to the TOCA unit. Interesting....

In terms of forecourt relevance, not all engines are getting smaller. The new Focus ST actually uses a 2.3 in place of the old models 2.0. I believe it was easier to hit the required emissions figures this way and the 2.3 obviously already existed, but it’s just an example.

Motorbase have a lot of ties with Mountune, I'd be very surprised if Motorbase went to another engine builder.

[mjcapri]

Originally Posted by RS67

Motorbase have a lot of ties with Mountune, I'd be very surprised if Motorbase went to another engine builder.

I believe so.

Out of interest have there been any previous examples of two engine builders building the ‘same’ engine?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by mjcapri

I believe so.

Out of interest have there been any previous examples of two engine builders building the ‘same’ engine?

IIRC, there was a period when BMR had engines fitted that had been prepared by Mountune and Swindon at the same time.

[MagicBoy]

Originally Posted by mjcapri

I believe so.

Out of interest have there been any previous examples of two engine builders building the ‘same’ engine?

First year of NGTC there were Ric Wood and Lehmann versions of the VAG lump. RAR swapped mid-season IIRC.

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by mjcapri

I believe so.

Out of interest have there been any previous examples of two engine builders building the ‘same’ engine?

I doubt if this is what you are referring to but back in the Old Group A BTCC days a number of different people built RS500 engines.

[RS67]

Could be nothing, but only showing two cars.
https://www.facebook.com/18501483823...QhgMn&d=n&vh=e

[Matt K]

Maybe because the third is an older RS and quite a separate entry for Neate. I don't remember his livery from pre-season testing but wasn't it a bit different than "main two" cars?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by RS67

Could be nothing, but only showing two cars.
https://www.facebook.com/18501483823...QhgMn&d=n&vh=e

Cars 6, 44 and 48 are all seen at some point during the clip.

[Pdh]

Originally Posted by RS67

Could be nothing, but only showing two cars.
https://www.facebook.com/18501483823...QhgMn&d=n&vh=e

Think you need to watch again, it shows there’s 4 different cars in the clip, 3 new cars and the RS from pre season

[RS67]

Originally Posted by Pdh

Think you need to watch again, it shows there’s 4 different cars in the clip, 3 new cars and the RS from pre season

Only watched it on my phone and the only number I could clearly see was No.6

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by RS67

Only watched it on my phone and the only number I could clearly see was No.6

Watched it on phone too.

6secs, RS and ST models visible.
17secs, 2 ST models visible.
18secs, 44 is visible.
23secs, 48 is visible.

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by RS67

Only watched it on my phone and the only number I could clearly see was No.6

The 44 car is the one with the big '44' on the roof

[Jay87]

Did notice that racing red seems to have disappeared from the side though

[touringlegend]

Has the rumoured sponsor reconsidered potentially?

[SR18]

What do you think how will Hyundai and Ford perform?

[Tja]

Originally Posted by RS67

Could be nothing, but only showing two cars.
https://www.facebook.com/18501483823...QhgMn&d=n&vh=e

Not quite nothing, but also nothing to worry about:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SanGcqek6gA


Interview with Dave Bartrum, he says they still have to finish the third car, but nearly there. They would've started the season with one old Focus without the delay. Also some more shots of the cars and the Racing Red stickers are indeed gone.

Dave did have Covid 19 himself, but now seems eager to go racing.

Definitely worth a watch.