Juan to forget for... Juan

[Sodemo]

What a terrible race from Montoya, I thought it was a slightly clumbsy move on Rubens, and he could have waited for a few more laps.

It seemed like everything that could go wrong did go wrong;
Bad start,
collision,
fuel hose failure,
pit penalty,
slid off track,
wrong tyres.



So sad...

[Knowlesy]

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Better luck next year JPM

[Adam43]

Yes a nightmare of a race. Some his own doing, but most not. A shame for the championship too.

[Yunis]

The fia should not have penalised him, ive seen worse moves in recent yrs and they have gone unpunished....oh well being a monto fan i feel for him, he should have won that race had it been dry!!

[Mr V]

I have to say that i thought he was unlucky when it came to the drive through, we've seen worse go unpunished before. However, that wasn't the only thing that cost him the championship, bad weather, bad pit stop and for the first time in nine races a bad race from him personally.

[Sato san]

Gutted !

[Yoong Montoya]

This race is another good example why I think there should only be 1 tyre. If everyone had the same tyre, then the drivers could make more of a difference in the wet.

[Gt_R]

Unfortunate for Juan, definitely.
A bad start (is it due to the off-racing line?), the drive through, and difficult weather lost him the race.In fact, Juan seemed to lost hope immediately after all those incidents, his second half of the race is forgettable.

The punishment is harsh considering it is in the fight for a championship and how the move is brave, if not a little on the unneccessary side. However, he had himself to blame for being too impatient and forcing his way through knowing Rubens aint going to just sit aside. He is lucky in fact to be undamaged out of the incident and finish with 3 points for William's WCC.

Better luck next year...much as i feel sorry for Juan, i also do feel relief that it's now down to 2 drivers.

[Yoong Montoya]

Originally posted by Gt_R
i also do feel relief that it's now down to 2 drivers.

Why's that Gt_R?:confused:

I'd have prefered a 3 way fight.

[Heebeegeetee]

Originally posted by Yoong Montoya
I'd have prefered a 3 way fight.

No way. It's over. The best man has won. If he hasn't after Suzuka, it won't be due to anything Kimi has done. Everything that happened to Ferrari No.1 today was down to the man driving it. It was his patience and strength of character as he slithered back down to 6th or whatever, that was the crucial point. I reckon just about any other driver would have gone off under those circumstances, but he stayed on. It was a tremendous performance.
It ought to go to the best driver and the best team.

[R]

Originally posted by Yoong Montoya
Why's that Gt_R?:confused:

I'd have prefered a 3 way fight.

Because it's easier for TGF when he only needs to take off one driver, than having to take off two.

All joking aside, Juan's penalty was ludicrous. So, have I got this right, the officials don't want to see overtaking attempts? Penalties should be for blatantly and deliberately running into someone, not for racing incidents. Idiots.

[BootsOntheSide]

According to my spies in the Football Association,a nyone who has a shot at goal in next weekend's matches will be booked. Daring to try to play comeptitively to win a second time will result in dismissal.

That appears to be the FIA's logic. Either that or "how dare anyone try to beat Ferrari? Haven't they given any thought to Bernie, who's yougn wife only gives him pleasure when Ferrari have won?"

It really ahs been a dismal season for Montoya's luck, at crucial times. The failure in Asutria, the contact in Malaysia, the pitstops in France, and now this. He's made a few mistakes of his own,a dn the one here might've set all the event sinto motion, but it's still more than he deserved. Still,t ehre's always 2004.

[Yoong Montoya]

Originally posted by R
Because it's easier for TGF when he only needs to take off one driver, than having to take off two.

Rubens did it at Hockenheim this year didn't he?

[Yoong Montoya]

Originally posted by R
Because it's easier for TGF when he only needs to take off one driver, than having to take off two.

Ralf did it at Hockenheim this year didn't he?

[Asp]

OK, I'm going to go out on a limb regarding that penalty. It was a close call by the stewards, yes. If they were going to declare it as JPM's fault - that was the mildest penalty they have to offer.
And as regards it being a penalty on trying to overtake - I'll just point out Nurburgring. The FIA do have some discretion, and aren't all evil, despite what some people may think!

[Gt_R]

Michael doesn't have to take out Montoya...Juan's too eager to take himself out!(which he failed...hence FIA's intervention)

Anyways, it is appropriate that Michael win the WDC this year, if he does, simply because he's still the best out there!

[Mr V]

Originally posted by Asp

And as regards it being a penalty on trying to overtake - I'll just point out Nurburgring. The FIA do have some discretion, and aren't all evil, despite what some people may think!

JPM didn't touch Michael in Nurburgring, there was no reason to give him a penalty there in a million years.

Imo, there are too many inconsistancies regarding penalties. Sato took out his own team mate in Maylasia 2002 and got no penalty, JPM tried overtaking Rubens today, which imo was no worse than Sato but got a penalty???

[Sodemo]

True, however people cannot deny that Rubens is/was/ there to interfere with Montoya's/Kimi's race, just like Ralf would have been there to upset and battle with TGF and Kimi, how far each would have gone to upset each other is another matter.

[Damon]

Schu can overtake under yellow, JPM can't get involved in a 50/50 move, a discrace. That's it for another year then.

[Splatz the Cow]

Firstly, mods could you please remove/edit BootsOnTheOtherside 's ridiculous comment about Bernie Ecclestone and his Wife. I do think this deserves a warning. This sort of nonsense is completely unacceptable, particularly after the specific warning that was put on this forum regarding derogatory comments.

Perhaps have a break Boots' and come back later with an apology.

Splatz.

[eatapc]

I agree with Asp. The JPM penalty was a very close call, and I hated to see it, but I think it was correct. JPM tried and failed to get ahead of Rubens, then forced the issue when he clearly should have backed off. He was rightly PO'ed at RB for holding him up at the start, but getting even should have been a lot less important than staying in the hunt for the championship.

I'm a JPM fan; I was rooting for him today and I'll root for him next year, but that was bad driving.

P.S. Michael made his controversial pass on the straight, so the yellow flag at the corner didn't matter. No penalty was the correct call.

[avsfan733]

I can understand the reasoning for JPM's penalty in the actual rules and how they read. But I would agree that its enforcement has been inconsistent for many years.

Damon...I remember a few races ago when another 50/50 move happened between JPM and MS no by your logic, shouldn't have montoya been banned or penalized several points? I don't think thats what happened, the stewards made a judgment in both cases.

If I am not mistaken, I think that there are different, national, stewards for each race. If thats true, i would rely best on the US ones. They don't really follow F1 and so are probably less likely to have a bias [/joking]

[Damon]

The rule in general is flawed, no driver would deliberatly ram another driver off the road (well perhaps one would), but by effectively ending the race of a driver, who had already lost out due to what happened, is insane. They are trying to promote more overtaking, penalising a driver every time they have a go isn't going to help matters. I have to say I'm extremely disillusioned by what has happened this evening.

[avsfan733]

actions have consequences, he went for an risky move and it screwed up his WDC chances, it happens