Who is M. Schupunter and why...

slicktoast · 17 Mar 2002, 23:10 (Ref:237884)

...is he allowed to get away with this stuff?!

:confused:

marcus · 18 Mar 2002, 02:03 (Ref:238009)

apparently

Jukebox · 18 Mar 2002, 02:47 (Ref:238025)

JPM closed the line, in which he shouldn't have.

J.McClane · 18 Mar 2002, 02:52 (Ref:238028)

But JPM was slightly infront of Shu, so why did he have no right to as you say close the line.
You could have got a bus through the gap Monty left, mind you judgin' by 94 & 97(to name two "incedents") Shu's judgement of space leaves a lot to be desired

Jukebox · 18 Mar 2002, 03:15 (Ref:238041)

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Originally posted by J.McClane
But JPM was slightly infront of Shu, so why did he have no right to as you say close the line.
You could have got a bus through the gap Monty left, mind you judgin' by 94 & 97(to name two "incedents") Shu's judgement of space leaves a lot to be desired

Last year..can't remember where, JPM did the same to TGF and TGF ended in the grass avoiding a probable collision. It's about the same scenario to think of it.

Dr. Austin · 18 Mar 2002, 03:35 (Ref:238050)

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Originally posted by Jukebox
JPM closed the line, in which he shouldn't have.

But doing the same thing on the starting line is ok, right? The only thing wrong weith what JPM did was that it wasn't schui doing it. If the role were reversed, schui fans would be squeeling that he was ahead and had the line.

The Beer Baron · 18 Mar 2002, 03:52 (Ref:238056)

Montoya made a legit move, he was racing to get through the first turn to get first, Schumi tries to slither in on the inside. OK Schumi thought Montoya's penalty was harsh.

montoya pays for barrichello's stupidity two weeks ago !!

Once Williams outqualify Ferrari, then the swerve is no more. Schumi knows the Williams will out-accelerate the ferrari, hence we get 'The Chop'

Jukebox · 18 Mar 2002, 03:57 (Ref:238057)

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Originally posted by Dr. Austin

But doing the same thing on the starting line is ok, right? The only thing wrong weith what JPM did was that it wasn't schui doing it. If the role were reversed, schui fans would be squeeling that he was ahead and had the line.

These things happen, although it was a bit unfair that JPM got penalised...but then knowing TGf was already very close, JPM could have avoided by giving more space. Like what TGF did last year (avoiding) when JPM was doing the same and was loosing control of the car while doing it.

The Beer Baron · 18 Mar 2002, 04:14 (Ref:238063)

what does TGF stand for? I know its Swervemacher

I've never known any driver who gives an inch at the start!

michael oversteers into Juan, resulting in Juan getting penalised

Jukebox · 18 Mar 2002, 04:22 (Ref:238069)

Beer baron, TGF stands for....

The God of Formula1

Dr. Austin · 18 Mar 2002, 04:25 (Ref:238071)

Then what does TFG mean? "That friendly German?"

or,.......no!

J.McClane · 18 Mar 2002, 04:31 (Ref:238074)

TGF= The God of Formula1?........nice to see Senna is still remebered after 8 years

Jukebox · 18 Mar 2002, 04:35 (Ref:238077)

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Originally posted by Dr. Austin
Then what does TFG mean? "That friendly German?"

or,.......no!

Having being paid US35mil a year by Ferari not counting of what his sponsors pays him (US70mil)...he wouldn't care what people wants to call him.....i know i wouldn't

He's the best in what he does...

The Beer Baron · 18 Mar 2002, 04:39 (Ref:238079)

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Originally posted by Jukebox

He's the best in what he does...

Swerving ?

Jukebox · 18 Mar 2002, 04:43 (Ref:238081)

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Originally posted by The Beer Baron

Swerving ?

To swerve from one side to the other is allowed..and he did it by the book.

The Beer Baron · 18 Mar 2002, 04:47 (Ref:238083)

he writes the book on swerving, but he isn't anywhere near being the greatest sportsman!

Dr. Austin · 18 Mar 2002, 04:51 (Ref:238084)

You can stick the rulebook right under schumacher fans' noses and they are still too blind to see the swerve is illegal.

The swerve is legal, but if JPM wants to go wheel to wheel, it's penalty time. How dare anyone race the great one?

Jukebox · 18 Mar 2002, 04:53 (Ref:238085)

It states clearly in the rule that you are allowed to swerve once and he only swerved once.

Dr. Austin · 18 Mar 2002, 04:57 (Ref:238090)

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Originally posted by Jukebox
It states clearly in the rule that you are allowed to swerve once and he only swerved once.

It does NOT. Show it to me in the rules where it says that. Prove it in black and white. It never addresses the first swerve in the FIA rules. Your statement is blantantly untrue. Pull up the rules and prove it.

The Beer Baron · 18 Mar 2002, 05:05 (Ref:238094)

Schumi fans go on about how great he is! some of his wins were gifts from his team-mates!

how many extra points/podiums did he get as a result of upmost generosity on the part of his team mates.

he gets teams built around him, I wonder how well TGF would do if he were in an equal situation with someone like Juan

Don K · 18 Mar 2002, 05:36 (Ref:238103)

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Originally posted by J.McClane
But JPM was slightly infront of Shu, so why did he have no right to as you say close the line.

I just had a look at the Rusiian site (see DNQ's thread). I think that video shows both cars entering the corner side by side (maybe with Michael slightly ahead).

Jukebox · 18 Mar 2002, 05:38 (Ref:238104)

Just think about this for a moment Dr Austin, who got penalised?

Certainly you & me are not experts when it comes to FIA rulings, but the one time swerve is allowed and known to all who follows the Formula1.

The Beer Baron · 18 Mar 2002, 05:46 (Ref:238108)

in all fairness Jukebox, neither are the FIA officials experts when it comes to FIA rulings!

Jukebox · 18 Mar 2002, 06:05 (Ref:238112)

Don't you think, things like this will make it more exciting Beer Baron? Rather than the usual 'friendly atmosphere' Mika and TGF created when they were rivals last time?....in a weird sense, i do feel it's good to have JPM driving that way as to bring out the best out of TGF.

I've heard of wine barons...but a beer baron?

hope you don keep your beers in the cellar....just a joke, pls don get intimidated

Dr. Austin · 18 Mar 2002, 06:19 (Ref:238115)

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Originally posted by Jukebox
Just think about this for a moment Dr Austin, who got penalised?

Certainly you & me are not experts when it comes to FIA rulings, but the one time swerve is allowed and known to all who follows the Formula1.

Show me in the rules where it says one move is allowed. It is not there. Nowhere. And "manuvers liable to hinder other drivers" specifically prohibit the swerve.It is all there in black and white how the swerve is illegal. You can't show me anywhere in the FIA rulebook where it says one move is legal. Nowhere. It does not exist.

If anyone can show me in the FIA rules where the one move is allowed, I will be delighted to reverse my position. buit i have been begging everyone and anyone since Austrilia to point out that passage in the rule book and no one has come forward with it. because it does not exist. Period.