WEC Porsche Prototype Discussion - Page 297

WolfsburgRS · 14 Nov 2016, 18:27 (Ref:3688054)

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Originally Posted by airbusA346

Wonder if Lieb/Dumas would go back into GTE if they lost their seats.

As mentioned above, with Lieb being an engineer and with the new mid-engine 911 due next year for IMSA and WEC, his abilities would be well-placed with one of those efforts.

500 · 15 Nov 2016, 01:48 (Ref:3688123)

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Originally Posted by gert

A possible 'demotion' to GTE would maybe not be as hard as it seems for Lieb, depending on the result in Bahrain.

If he closes 2016 with a championship win *and* a Le Mans win, wouldn't that be "mission accomplished"? Maybe he'll happily accept GTE as a new challenge?

On the other hand, he could be massively disappointed too.

I agree. I think Lieb is a "Porsche man" through and through. He has been a solid driver in the P1 car, but I think his engineering input has had a lot to do with him having that spot. I don't think Lieb would have landed a factory P1 drive elsewhere just on the strength of his driving. I believe he would see this and understand. An overall win at Le Mans and perhaps a WEC crown would be quite an accomplishment and being as much of an engineer as he is, moving on to develop the GTE would be an interesting evolution.

Lieb very likely has a long career with Porsche, past active racing. I think Porsche has invested heavily in him too, and won't want to let him wander off...

TF110 · 15 Nov 2016, 05:35 (Ref:3688159)

I'll have to see it to believe it. Porsche must feel Lotterer is better than someone from their 2015 LM winning car. Either way, it seems he'll at least be in the wec again next year. Not being paid by Super Formula seems like a stretch considering what Kazuki Nakajima said in that recent interview (it's in the 2016 super gt thread).

Hawkwood · 15 Nov 2016, 10:31 (Ref:3688215)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I'll have to see it to believe it. Porsche must feel Lotterer is better than someone from their 2015 LM winning car.

I suspect there's many that think Lotterer is better than that entire crew, but that's neither here nor there.

It's looking likely that only Hulkenburg will not being driving full-time for Porsche next year, and that wasn't going to happen anyway.

Akrapovic · 15 Nov 2016, 10:33 (Ref:3688216)

Porsche already obviously feel that the 2016 drivers are better than the 2015 Le Mans winners, otherwise they'd have put Tandy and Bamber in the 919 at the expense of someone else.

Lotterrer might be the best driver on the WEC grid right now. If he isn't, he's certainly in the top 5. Grabbing him is as much about not allowing Toyota to have him as it is having him in a Porsche.

J Jay · 15 Nov 2016, 10:34 (Ref:3688217)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Not being paid by Super Formula seems like a stretch considering what Kazuki Nakajima said in that recent interview (it's in the 2016 super gt thread).

Nakajima is a Toyota factory driver, that might explain the apparent disparity.

TF110 · 15 Nov 2016, 20:54 (Ref:3688349)

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Originally Posted by J Jay

Nakajima is a Toyota factory driver, that might explain the apparent disparity.

I don't know if Nakajima is paid more than Lotterer is, but I think he's been part of Toyota in Super Formula and Super GT for just as long if not longer than Kazuki.

hondafan37 · 17 Nov 2016, 12:13 (Ref:3688829)

Is there a new livery similary to 911 in the 919 2017?
Will be very similar to Toyota
http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/bah...tin-en-bref-3/

YorkshireLad · 17 Nov 2016, 19:20 (Ref:3688914)

That's LMPone's livery on twitter.

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Spyderman · 20 Nov 2016, 06:24 (Ref:3689641)

Congratulations to #2 for the Drivers Title. An interesting factoid is that the #2 was the only LMP1 not to have spent a single second inside the box with technical problems during the 2016 races.

TzeiTzei · 20 Nov 2016, 10:03 (Ref:3689672)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Congratulations to #2 for the Drivers Title. An interesting factoid is that the #2 was the only LMP1 not to have spent a single second inside the box with technical problems during the 2016 races.

That would suggest that endurance does matter in this championship. That is a very good performance.

Starfish Primer · 20 Nov 2016, 12:08 (Ref:3689695)

The #2 Porsche has been the turtle of the championship, the hares had accidents or mechanical problems.

I don't like the double points to Le Mans, that race is already important enough.

Is Porsche planning a new car for the 2017-18 timeframe? O will they just upgrade the existing car?

Spyderman · 20 Nov 2016, 16:54 (Ref:3689761)

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Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

The #2 Porsche has been the turtle of the championship, the hares had accidents or mechanical problems.

Some times the turtle wins. Winning a championship is about scoring points, Being quick without reliability or regularity does not win you a championship

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Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

I don't like the double points to Le Mans, that race is already important enough.

I have long defended that the double points for Le Mans was unjustifiable given the amount of races in the entire championship. However, it is quite amusing to see so many up in arms about this because their favorite brand did not win, or once the "wrong"car has won the championship.

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Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

Is Porsche planning a new car for the 2017-18 timeframe? O will they just upgrade the existing car?

2017 car is an update on current car. I have no idea about the 2018 & 2019 car.

chernaudi · 20 Nov 2016, 17:14 (Ref:3689767)

Sadly, that this does mean that the #2 Porsche team won with the fewest number of podiums in the history of the WEC. Certainly not a very exciting way to win a championship. Also, Porsche were the only team all season long to not get both their cars on the podium in a single race. That's a very odd fact given how fast the #1 Porsche was all season long.

Spyderman · 20 Nov 2016, 19:05 (Ref:3689787)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Sadly, that this does mean that the #2 Porsche team won with the fewest number of podiums in the history of the WEC. Certainly not a very exciting way to win a championship. Also, Porsche were the only team all season long to not get both their cars on the podium in a single race. That's a very odd fact given how fast the #1 Porsche was all season long.

...and yet they won. In the end, it is all that counts.

bentley speed 8 · 20 Nov 2016, 19:32 (Ref:3689792)

What really helped Porsche #2 was not having any retirements this year. Congratulations to them anyways, they deserve the championship.

chernaudi · 20 Nov 2016, 19:40 (Ref:3689795)

Yet, if one or two of the front running teams won the races that they DNF'd in, the #2 Porsche would've been vulnerable. Seeing the pace that the #1 had all season, either the guys in the #2 were really stroking it/sandbagging, or they were genuinely off the pace. If the latter, I don't see a good excuse aside from them just not being fast enough.

Hence the rumor of one or likely two of them being "demoted"/re-assigned to the GTE program, probably Leib (who Porsche would want for his GT successes and engineering background), and Dumas, who simply hasn't really impressed this year. Jani, being probably the fastest Porsche LMP1 driver period (when the car is working right) is going nowhere if he's teamed with equally fast drivers.

Spyderman · 21 Nov 2016, 10:14 (Ref:3689910)

I haven't checked the calculations, but...

Thanks to LMPone (Twitter)

Mike E · 21 Nov 2016, 11:37 (Ref:3689921)

Alonso drops heavy hints about a future at Porsche.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/1...h-porsche.html

J Jay · 21 Nov 2016, 17:46 (Ref:3689990)

Andre and Fernando both at Porsches in the near future ...

I think I'm going to have to become a Porsche fan.

Melcor · 21 Nov 2016, 20:17 (Ref:3690025)

I don't think Alonso will come to LMP1,or at least not in full seat.I don't see who will be replacing,of course if Lotterer contract its not one year only.And to be honest i don't see Alonso as a team player but this is my personal opinion!

S griffin · 21 Nov 2016, 22:02 (Ref:3690051)

Fred has expressed a desire to LM before, as far back as 09, would love to see him do it, I think it would suit him

gert · 21 Nov 2016, 22:34 (Ref:3690057)

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Originally Posted by Melcor

And to be honest i don't see Alonso as a team player but this is my personal opinion!

Stoffel Vandoorne said Alonso was a great teamplayer, when he did one race to replace him. He stuck around, offered advise and helped where he could while he could easily have gone home instead.

TF110 · 21 Nov 2016, 23:11 (Ref:3690066)

I think Alonso meant joining the wec in general when he said "wait for me there".

Melcor · 22 Nov 2016, 16:57 (Ref:3690260)

Here is another rumor about LMP1 driver lineup for Porsche :

http://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/l...r-2017-852529/

What do you think guys,is it wise Romain Dumas to stay for 2017?

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