Crowding

gachjoel · 17 Jan 2014, 21:53 (Ref:3355411)

http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/m...Racing_(Q).pdf

14.4.1 (Pg 271)

with all the talk about the new flag regs and the 1 wheel off and how Post Chiefs are going to manage.
here's another one to look out for just in case you get a quiet moment.
part of the regulation
Any driver moving back towards the
racing line having earlier defended his position off-line
should leave at least one cars width between his own
car and the edge of the track on the approach to the
corner. However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other
drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond
the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction

I thought this was already covered in the BB, but as it is in "Red" which normally means a new regulation.

Your thoughts on this one Please

**Adam43** · 17 Jan 2014, 22:43 (Ref:3355424)

The best you can do when trying to describe honourable racing etiquette.

deley · 17 Jan 2014, 23:46 (Ref:3355453)

My thoughts are.... that "crowding" was already covered in the BB

2013 BB
14.4.2. Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out either on the right or on the left. However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences may be reported to the Clerk of Course.

2014 BB
14.4.1. Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out either on the right or on the left. In response to each attempted overtaking manoeuvre no more than one change of direction to defend a position is permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line having earlier defended his position off-line should leave at least one cars width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner. However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences may be reported to the Clerk of Course.

The real change in this section is the clarification that the previous "one change of direction to defend a position" is now "In response to each attempted overtaking manoeuvre no more than one change of direction to defend a position is permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line having earlier defended his position off-line should leave at least one cars width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner."

The reason (I suspect) that the particular 14.4.1 section is in red in the 2014 BB is that there have been so many changes in the whole 14.x Track Regulations - and of course because part of the reg was in 14.4.2 last year and is now in 14.4.1

Dave

gachjoel · 17 Jan 2014, 23:55 (Ref:3355454)

Quote:

Originally Posted by deley

My thoughts are.... that "crowding" was already covered in the BB

Dave

Cheers Dave

So that would explain the difference,
thought there was something there before but the Red text has thrown me a bit

deley · 17 Jan 2014, 23:57 (Ref:3355455)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gachjoel

Cheers Dave

So that would explain the difference,
thought there was something there before but the Red text has thrown me a bit

I suspect the large amount of red ink scattered around the BB will confuse a lot of people.

Greem · 18 Jan 2014, 00:35 (Ref:3355463)

Only if they actually take note of the amendments, given that the two key changes came about *after* the BB was printed.

*edit: I meant "they'll not be confused if they take... Etc etc"

275 GTB-4 · 18 Jan 2014, 21:33 (Ref:3355703)

Quote:

Originally Posted by deley

My thoughts are.... that "crowding" was already covered in the BB

2013 BB
14.4.2. Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out either on the right or on the left. However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences may be reported to the Clerk of Course.

2014 BB
14.4.1. Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out either on the right or on the left. In response to each attempted overtaking manoeuvre no more than one change of direction to defend a position is permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line having earlier defended his position off-line should leave at least one cars width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner. However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences may be reported to the Clerk of Course.

Dave

Don't forget that some of these changes can be brought about by Drivers challenging the words in front of the Stewards or CoC. This may be the result of one such exchange and this is an attempt to remove any ambiguity etc

The words used are certainly tortured though....is there a "plain english" version of the BB?

gachjoel · 19 Jan 2014, 15:07 (Ref:3355907)

So there is a complete overhaul
14.5.1 should a car leave the track for any reason and without prejudice of 14.5(c)
Problem with this is under the new amendments, there is no 14.5(c)

Dave Brand · 19 Jan 2014, 15:36 (Ref:3355911)

Quote:

Originally Posted by deley

My thoughts are.... that "crowding" was already covered in the BB

As I see it, the addition of "one car's width" clarifies & quantifies the previous ruling, making reporting crowding more a statement of fact than an opinion.

"If it can be measured, it can be controlled."