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Old 11 Aug 2020, 19:59 (Ref:3994833)   #181
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Williams looking to extract a favor from Mercedes? McLaren maybe already received one? I know they both get engines from Mercedes and Mercedes may be twisting their arms. Given that McLaren is on the upswing, they have more to lose with a bad relationship with Mercedes. Williams however, maybe feel they have cards to play?



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Or Toto saying to Claire, don't make my life more difficult than it need be, allegedly.

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Old 11 Aug 2020, 20:00 (Ref:3994834)   #182
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If my memory is correct, the stewards at the event are acting on behalf of the National sporting authority and the appeal goes to the FIA when contested.
Not correct for an FIA World Championship. The stewards are FIA Stewards, appointed by the FIA and acting as the FIA with ultimate authority at the race meeting.

Your memory would be correct if it was a national level race meeting for example.
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 20:03 (Ref:3994836)   #183
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I expect Williams to withdraw their protest.

Let’s be honest, they can neither afford the time, money or resources to be taken up protesting something they won’t gain anything from.
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 20:33 (Ref:3994839)   #184
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McLaren have withdrawn their protest but Renault and Ferrari are to go ahead with theirs. I suspect RP will also go ahead but no news on Williams.


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Old 11 Aug 2020, 21:19 (Ref:3994849)   #185
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 22:57 (Ref:3994854)   #186
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Not correct for an FIA World Championship. The stewards are FIA Stewards, appointed by the FIA and acting as the FIA with ultimate authority at the race meeting.

Your memory would be correct if it was a national level race meeting for example.
I could be wrong or things have changed and different now, but i also thought that in addition to the permanent stewards there are also a couple of stewards nationality appointed perhaps even with one having to be a national of the country hosting the race.

Either way though...the vagueness of the ruling suggests to me that the ones at the race, regardless ofwho appointed them, where more then willing to pass the decision up to mom and dad to sort out.
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 23:14 (Ref:3994857)   #187
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On the meeting stewards, whether FIA or not, they were judging the physical legality the car, or part of it. The brake ducts are technically legal. It is the sourcing of them that is the problem. As they aren’t charged with checking this on a race weekend, indeed it would be impractical, it is clear why they found no problem with them. It strikes me that challenging this after a race is the only reasonable way to do it.

I don’t see how any of this suddenly requires the FIA to release the details around the Ferrari ruling last year. Why would anything else be revisited?

None of the above is a comment on whether RP did anything wrong, or did everything right. Just a desire to understand the situation better.
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 23:17 (Ref:3994859)   #188
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I could be wrong or things have changed and different now, but i also thought that in addition to the permanent stewards there are also a couple of stewards nationality appointed perhaps even with one having to be a national of the country hosting the race.

Either way though...the vagueness of the ruling suggests to me that the ones at the race, regardless ofwho appointed them, where more then willing to pass the decision up to mom and dad to sort out.
The stewards of the meeting have neither the skills or resources to adjudicate a technical decision of this nature, they are not full time and are not qualified, which is why the decision was held over from Hungary.
The FIA made a ruling and handed it down for publication.

Essentially mom and dad made the decision and one of the kids taped it up on the wall.
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 23:26 (Ref:3994861)   #189
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McLaren aren’t appealing anymore. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/15...ke-duct-appeal

This needs a full investigation...
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 23:33 (Ref:3994863)   #190
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McLaren aren’t appealing anymore. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/15...ke-duct-appeal

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Toto explained that their engine bill would include all the legal fees necessary to clear RP from their action, and to compensate RP for all the lost revenue from lost WCC points.
No point in now in McLaren pursuing the action.
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I could be wrong or things have changed and different now, but i also thought that in addition to the permanent stewards there are also a couple of stewards nationality appointed perhaps even with one having to be a national of the country hosting the race.

Either way though...the vagueness of the ruling suggests to me that the ones at the race, regardless ofwho appointed them, where more then willing to pass the decision up to mom and dad to sort out.
You're right, normally a local added to the permanent pair but they're all FIA Stewards as a group, appointed by and representing the FIA.

The decision does seem quite vague and contradictory in many ways - not unusual for stewards to sit on the fence in matters of higher complexity or bigger stakes and it sounds like that may be what has happened here.
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Williams looking to extract a favor from Mercedes? McLaren maybe already received one? I know they both get engines from Mercedes and Mercedes may be twisting their arms. Given that McLaren is on the upswing, they have more to lose with a bad relationship with Mercedes. Williams however, maybe feel they have cards to play?

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To be pedantic McLaren this year are using Renault power, but yes McLaren will switch to Merc next year and so are in the 'favour loop'.
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Old 12 Aug 2020, 06:21 (Ref:3994882)   #193
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I don’t see how any of this suddenly requires the FIA to release the details around the Ferrari ruling last year. Why would anything else be revisited?
Because as the ultimate regulator, the FIA has a duty to treat everyone equally. You cannot treat one alleged breach as a confidential matter with no apparent penalty and have another played out in public with a visible penalty. Cosy confidential 'settlements' simply undermine the whole regulatory process.

If I were Lawrence Stroll, I would want to know why Ferrari were treated confidentially and I am sure their legal team would use this to discredit the way the FIA regulates.
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To be pedantic McLaren this year are using Renault power, but yes McLaren will switch to Merc next year and so are in the 'favour loop'.
I think Williams will do the same - despite all her enthusiasm for F1's DNA, she won't want to be out on a Mercedes limb, surely.
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I suppose the irony of those left protesting is that RP on a relative shoestring, have done a better job producing a 'similar concept' to the 2019 Mercedes, than Ferrari and Renault have with their 2020 cars and substantial budgets.
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