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Old 10 Aug 2020, 21:59 (Ref:3994638)   #241
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I recollect a #HARD car with a puncture too; could it simply have bern a case of "pushing the envelope" in terms of setup vs. what the manufacturer recommended setup wise? Or maybe Butcher, Hill, OJ etc. all managed to find a rough bit of kerb that everybody else missed? It it were endemic in the design or a result of temperature I would have expected more. Or simply the odd few weaker tyres - Friday afternoon jobs! - luck of the draw with Motorbase having just walked under a ladder!
Hill's puncture in race three was due to his old mate Matt Neal hitting him at Graham Hill bend.....
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 07:47 (Ref:3994682)   #242
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Sutton, Cammish..they are his real favourites. He has managed Cammish in the past and got him the Nationwide sponsorship in Porsche so no surprise. Notice how he has his favourites and some he just ignores.
Every other word he says is Cammish!
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 11:10 (Ref:3994732)   #243
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Hill's puncture in race three was due to his old mate Matt Neal hitting him at Graham Hill bend.....
Matt Neale hitting something? It's about time he hit the pace car, get it ticked off the bucket list before his son takes over the ride next year.

(That's me speculating, I know nothing!)
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 11:28 (Ref:3994735)   #244
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I recollect a #HARD car with a puncture too; could it simply have bern a case of "pushing the envelope" in terms of setup vs. what the manufacturer recommended setup wise? Or maybe Butcher, Hill, OJ etc. all managed to find a rough bit of kerb that everybody else missed? It it were endemic in the design or a result of temperature I would have expected more. Or simply the odd few weaker tyres - Friday afternoon jobs! - luck of the draw with Motorbase having just walked under a ladder!
Was the HARD car Ollie Brown in R2? Looking at the results, that seems to be the only time they weren't on the lead lap, aside from Goff's incident.

Hill's was a result of an incident, rather than a failure.

Which suggests that Motorbase were the team pushing the envelope too far?

Stephen Jelley - "Some cars have to gamble a bit [...] Motorbase are learning that car"
Four tyre failures on the same corner of the Focus would seem to indicate that the setup was a contributing factor?
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 12:56 (Ref:3994761)   #245
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Was the HARD car Ollie Brown in R2? Looking at the results, that seems to be the only time they weren't on the lead lap, aside from Goff's incident.

Hill's was a result of an incident, rather than a failure.

Which suggests that Motorbase were the team pushing the envelope too far?

Stephen Jelley - "Some cars have to gamble a bit [...] Motorbase are learning that car"
Four tyre failures on the same corner of the Focus would seem to indicate that the setup was a contributing factor?
Brown's puncture was on the left rear hence why he spun at the bottom of Paddock Hill, I think everyone else's were on the front
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 13:25 (Ref:3994764)   #246
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well don't know about anyone else but I just really enjoyed the racing....
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 18:34 (Ref:3994819)   #247
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Brown's puncture was on the left rear hence why he spun at the bottom of Paddock Hill, I think everyone else's were on the front
Thanks, my memory isn't the best. So it was Mr Brown at the rear - so maybe that was the result of his car and that of AN Other getting a little too intimate. Matt Bump Neale started at the back, so had an opportunity to rub the VW....

So the front "fails"(Jake being Matted isn't a fail) were all Motorbase - which suggests they pushed too far. Andy Neate was that little bit slower, so maybe the tyres on his car weren't worked quite so hard.
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 20:37 (Ref:3994840)   #248
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Thanks, my memory isn't the best. So it was Mr Brown at the rear - so maybe that was the result of his car and that of AN Other getting a little too intimate. Matt Bump Neale started at the back, so had an opportunity to rub the VW....

So the front "fails"(Jake being Matted isn't a fail) were all Motorbase - which suggests they pushed too far. Andy Neate was that little bit slower, so maybe the tyres on his car weren't worked quite so hard.
After quali when Butcher's car was being weighed etc Harvey made a comment about how much camber the Motorbase cars were running compared to others...
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 20:39 (Ref:3994841)   #249
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Also in no way pointing fingers but you'd assume it was contact that caused Brown's puncture, very rare to see wear related tyre failures on the back
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 22:05 (Ref:3994850)   #250
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Its funny becuase I said to my wife that I thought the FWD cars might suffer with tyre wear due to the heat. Surprisingly, it wasn't as bad as I feared, unlike at Thruxton a few years back when they had to shorten the race distance due to tyre issues.
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Old 11 Aug 2020, 23:08 (Ref:3994856)   #251
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After quali when Butcher's car was being weighed etc Harvey made a comment about how much camber the Motorbase cars were running compared to others...
makes sense, it's the clio cup at thruxton problem then. although i think the f1 "tyres are bad" brigade would come running in here and say it's goodyear's fault for not telling them to run less camber...
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Old 12 Aug 2020, 07:01 (Ref:3994886)   #252
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Thanks, my memory isn't the best. So it was Mr Brown at the rear - so maybe that was the result of his car and that of AN Other getting a little too intimate. Matt Bump Neale started at the back, so had an opportunity to rub the VW....

So the front "fails"(Jake being Matted isn't a fail) were all Motorbase - which suggests they pushed too far. Andy Neate was that little bit slower, so maybe the tyres on his car weren't worked quite so hard.
Neate wasn't carrying ballast. The failures seemed to coincide with heavier ballast. After Rory's R1 puncture it was reported that Goodyear/Motorbase were examining the tyre, later in the day Motorbase announced they felt it was due to a stone or other debris. Ollie has a completely different driving style to Rory and requires the car to be set up differently, so would two different set ups result in punctures?
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Old 12 Aug 2020, 07:10 (Ref:3994887)   #253
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After quali when Butcher's car was being weighed etc Harvey made a comment about how much camber the Motorbase cars were running compared to others...
I could have sworn he said it wasn't running as much camber like he expected. I was watching on my phone, so only a tiny screen, but I couldn't see much camber.
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Old 12 Aug 2020, 07:15 (Ref:3994889)   #254
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I could have sworn he said it wasn't running as much camber like he expected. I was watching on my phone, so only a tiny screen, but I couldn't see much camber.
I was watching on a slightly bigger (laptop) screen, but thought it was a silly comment for Tim to make. The view of the car was from above and he said (something like) "look at the camber on the rear of the Motorbase Focus, see how much of a gap there is between the outside of the tyre and the ground". From the camera view, you just could not see that!
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Old 12 Aug 2020, 08:34 (Ref:3994899)   #255
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Neate wasn't carrying ballast. The failures seemed to coincide with heavier ballast. After Rory's R1 puncture it was reported that Goodyear/Motorbase were examining the tyre, later in the day Motorbase announced they felt it was due to a stone or other debris. Ollie has a completely different driving style to Rory and requires the car to be set up differently, so would two different set ups result in punctures?
very rare to get that many debris punctures in a single weekend, especially in one series, in one team.

and it’d be equally as rare for a team to admit in public it’s because they’ve had to do something relatively extreme with setup. remember that changing a tiny suspension component will change wear patterns on the tyre.
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