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Old 28 Apr 2014, 12:39 (Ref:3399173)   #401
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Yeah me too think that the lmp1-h / lmp1-l split is senseless when there isn't any hybrid car among private lmp1's. The private lmp1 "sub" class basicly is dead, you can't pretend that a private team can spend over 2 mln of € per season to finish behind work lmp1, while in lmp2 a team need less than 500.000€
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 12:52 (Ref:3399179)   #402
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Well Kodewa still appears on the just updated LM entry list so I guess it's not entirely dead "class", but nevertheless yes it's rather pointless.
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 13:04 (Ref:3399191)   #403
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in past seasons, lmp1 was numberous because teams were able to take part with a considerably cheap package that basicly was: lola, courage or zytek/ginetta chassis + judd engine. Of course, like nowadays, private teams had 0 chances to fight for the overall win but they were able to compete full season with a reasonable budget.
After 2012 lola doesn't produce sportscars anymore and the other chassis manufacturers (HPD, oreca, onroak) just focus on lmp2 market. Is easy to realize that the private lmp1 class is a dead horse if a team must to project and build from scratch the car to take part...
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A. let private teams to use 1-2 years old, hybridless versions and costcapped audi/toyota/porsche cars
B. private lmp1 class made by coupè lmp2 chassis powered by lmp1 engines
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 13:07 (Ref:3399193)   #404
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Well Kodewa still appears on the just updated LM entry list so I guess it's not entirely dead "class", but nevertheless yes it's rather pointless.
Even if this is the wrong thread. According to Autosport the monocoque was crashed tested last week so I think the Kodewa Lotus is still alive though very late. Not sure if they have started to build up the car already before the crash-test. I think not. Commucation politics of the team is very poor.
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 14:33 (Ref:3399225)   #405
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my suggestions to revive the class are:
A. let private teams to use 1-2 years old, hybridless versions and costcapped audi/toyota/porsche cars
B. private lmp1 class made by coupè lmp2 chassis powered by lmp1 engins
C. Re-allow LMP1s to race in other series too, forcing your privateers to run in expensive world series behind the factories isn't viable
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 16:36 (Ref:3399258)   #406
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Even if this is the wrong thread. According to Autosport the monocoque was crashed tested last week so I think the Kodewa Lotus is still alive though very late. Not sure if they have started to build up the car already before the crash-test. I think not. Commucation politics of the team is very poor.
Indeed no website to be found about this years entry.
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 21:58 (Ref:3399408)   #407
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Some more pics here. Don't think these have been posted.

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Old 29 Apr 2014, 07:36 (Ref:3399528)   #408
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Posted by neilsb on the spa thread, but checked on the spa entry list and it looks like they are running one of each at spa and not both R1's
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Old 29 Apr 2014, 08:10 (Ref:3399541)   #409
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Possibly sensible hedging of bets - especially as the guys in the #13 got very little seat time at Silverstone?

It's also a way of possibly running a conservative race with the Lola and potentially picking up on any new car issues that the works teams might have.

Not long though until we get an answer one way or another.
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Old 29 Apr 2014, 08:19 (Ref:3399547)   #410
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Not to ignore the fact that they are able to test the two cars against each other.
See how similar/different the R1 is in setup compared to the Lola. This can help them use last years setups, to set the R1 up, if the cars are similar.
Even though I would love to see two R1's running at Spa, this really seem to be the smartest decision to make.
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i can see some advantages of doing one of each but Rebellion needs to give the new car some running time before Le mans and not be wasting time running the old one
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Makes complete sense to run one of each and then bring them both to test day.

I imagine they will be low on spares so it might be better to focus on one car.
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And those are, without a doubt, first-gen Peugeot 908 headlights.
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Old 29 Apr 2014, 08:40 (Ref:3399557)   #414
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Well that car is numbered 13 which according to the spa list is the old tub, so that indicates they will be running both r1's good news
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Not as nice looking with the livery on, black hid many of the shapes.
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It is!
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And those are, without a doubt, first-gen Peugeot 908 headlights.
The front lights are really looking like a Peugeot 908!
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The front lights are really looking like a Peugeot 908!
That's probably because Oreca still had some lying around.

Just got a tweet from Rebellion, I asked if they we're running two R-One's or just one R-One and one Lola. They answered with this:

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So the information from the fiawec website is inaccurate (again).
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Old 29 Apr 2014, 10:24 (Ref:3399599)   #420
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Just got a tweet from Rebellion, I asked if they we're running two R-One's or just one R-One and one Lola. They answered with this:



So the information from the fiawec website is inaccurate (again).[/QUOTE]

I think that is the right move, just a pity i will not be there to see them this year, will have to wait until June
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And those are, without a doubt, first-gen Peugeot 908 headlights.
I am still hoping for some gold touches on this livery...
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Old 29 Apr 2014, 12:26 (Ref:3399641)   #423
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I am still hoping for some gold touches on this livery...
Same here, in my opinion it needs the gold back to replace some of the white. Every car in the class has plenty of white on it.
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I am still hoping for some gold touches on this livery...
That would spice it up a bit, but even as it is it will be a standout vs the other P1's.
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I am still hoping for some gold touches on this livery...
I agree. The way they have used the gold in previous years was a great accent.
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