[Tech]Cost cutting and brakes...

ptclaus98 · 1 Nov 2009, 22:43 (Ref:2573769)

For all we go on and on about getting rid of senseless spending, and making road applicable tech, I, for the life of me, have no clue why the teams aren't forced to run one type of brake for the entire season. I mean, McLaren were supposedly running Carbon Industries brakes in the front and Brembos on the back today. That can't be cheap, and they can't help development of the brakes, either.

JeremySmith · 1 Nov 2009, 23:18 (Ref:2573783)

I love to hear that, great stuff....

Marbot · 2 Nov 2009, 01:58 (Ref:2573834)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I love to hear that, great stuff....

But we would never have known that had Hamilton's rear brakes not failed.

Razor · 2 Nov 2009, 02:25 (Ref:2573840)

I'm with you, a single brand of brakes for the car. Instead of carbon ceramic, what about using brakes forged from metal?

broadrun96 · 2 Nov 2009, 03:09 (Ref:2573855)

It would be interesting to see the teams have to run a "streetable" setup, disc and rotor compound but with the number of carss going to carbon-ceramic brakes for the street cars who would know what's streetable anymore? But they have been running the brake preferred by the driver for so long the costs of changing that system may be higher than retaining it. I'm sure the reps for each Hitco, Brembo and Carbon Industries know exactly what their product will need for each circuit already so testing may not exist and the teams aren't testing the brakes during the season, although they could be doing some in the straight line testing that's allowed under the rules.

1200Datto27 · 2 Nov 2009, 03:41 (Ref:2573866)

Leave the rotors and pads as they are, they are currently one of the few components on the cars that have the same performance available regardless of budget, where as changing to a ferrous based braking package would benefit the teams that are able to expend the money to test different componentry.

MrTTraces · 2 Nov 2009, 12:48 (Ref:2574102)

Give all the teams brakes from an Austin Allegro then we'll see how good they are (the teams that is not the brakes..we already know that they are are carp)

V8 Fireworks · 2 Nov 2009, 12:55 (Ref:2574107)

hehe...

anyway all the road cars are doing the carbon-ceramic brakes... cause we all know supercar owners typically drive for 10 straight laps on nurburgring constantly mashing the brakes and certainly not using their supercars to drive to the high street shops....

Marbot · 2 Nov 2009, 13:42 (Ref:2574139)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

hehe...

anyway all the road cars are doing the carbon-ceramic brakes... cause we all know supercar owners typically drive for 10 straight laps on nurburgring constantly mashing the brakes and certainly not using their supercars to drive to the high street shops....

Or: "I have to drive the car that fast in order to get heat into the brakes, officer".

broadrun96 · 2 Nov 2009, 15:01 (Ref:2574177)

The C&D test drive of the Lexus LFA and the GT-R both said their top complaint was the brakes that didn't work for daily driving. So if they are that much better for street cars but nobody wants to step on the because of the squeal and squeak, are they really better? The Vette team said it was the biggest thing for them to get used to in GT2, carbon-ceramic to steel rotors; would be fun to see the F1 teams get used to it over the course of a year but would it really matter to any but the smaller teams?

macca · 2 Nov 2009, 16:28 (Ref:2574225)

Metal discs have been tested against carbon/carbon and can give a similar performance - the difference would be that teams wouldn't have to keep throwing them away after each session at £3k a corner, and the unsprung weight is higher so cars would actually have to have some suspension.

And the problem with these ideas is? Are they serious about cost-cutting and relevance to road cars, and would overtaking improve?

Paul M

JeremySmith · 3 Nov 2009, 02:00 (Ref:2574607)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

But we would never have known that had Hamilton's rear brakes not failed.

True, personally It makes no difference to me what brakes they are using, I could care less to be honest as long as they stop the car it works for me..

The fact that they are experimenting with different solutions, that part I like a lot..

Marbot · 3 Nov 2009, 02:20 (Ref:2574615)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

The fact that they are experimenting with different solutions, that part I like a lot..

Yes, it must make things more interesting for the engineers at least. Although F1 is supposed to be an area where the component suppliers try to improve their own product, so maybe just swapping one make for another isn't really going about 'development' in the right way ? If they had a contract with just one brake manufacturer then surely that manufacturer would learn more by making its product work on that particular car ? Or maybe they don't need to because the imformation would be totally useless for anything other than F1 anyway ?

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