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Old 14 Feb 2017, 21:41 (Ref:3712202)   #11676
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Sounds like going back to LMP1 would be accelerated if another manufacturer joins in before them. Maybe Peugeot will answer that call.
Forget it. Audi will not come back to LMP1 for at least 5 years ( and thats rather optimistic). After what happened 2016, Audi will not come back to La Sarthe for a very long time. The earliest possible time to think about a return would be, when all leaders of the hole VAG Group would have been removed... There were so many political reasons behind their lmp1 withdrawal.

Personally and from a technical point of view, i think its a wrong decision but politics > all, especially in the VAG Group.
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Old 14 Feb 2017, 21:55 (Ref:3712205)   #11677
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Better fire up that Peugeot evaluating/might return press release again, for the zillionth time.
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Old 14 Feb 2017, 22:00 (Ref:3712206)   #11678
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Put some Vauxhall Corsa lights on it. I'd totally watch a Corsa LMP1.
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Old 14 Feb 2017, 22:05 (Ref:3712210)   #11679
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Earliest Audi Sport will be back is 2020 when new rules go into effect.

Why else keep all 200 employees who worked on the LMP1 program if they don't expect to be back or aren't working on something? I doubt that generosity on the part of Audi and Audi Sport is the number one factor here.
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Old 15 Feb 2017, 02:40 (Ref:3712261)   #11680
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Peugeot won't come in until costs are reduced to a more "sane" level, which could accelerate an Audi return if there's enough tech element to interest them.

That would mean a balance between cost and technology. Peugeot want's reduced cost, Audi wants to run a hydrogen fuel cell powered car or a hydrogen fuel cell hybrid.

Granted, the ACO have only at best made a half-hearted/half-assed attempt at satisfying both criteria.
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Earliest Audi Sport will be back is 2020 when new rules go into effect.

Why else keep all 200 employees who worked on the LMP1 program if they don't expect to be back or aren't working on something? I doubt that generosity on the part of Audi and Audi Sport is the number one factor here.
You kinda provided a rebuttal in your 2nd post to your 1st. You can't say the ACO made a half hearted attempt without knowing what 2020 holds. If new regulations are coming then, you can bet some other manufacturer wants to have those rules to their liking. In the meantime, Toyota, Porsche, CLM, Manor, SMP(?) will suffice.
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Old 15 Feb 2017, 03:12 (Ref:3712265)   #11681
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Unfortunately, new technology usually brings new cost. The present rules set proves that. And as far as getting Peugeot back, they don't want to spend even Toyota's budget on a LMP1 program.
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Who says they have to? Just because Audi spent something like $150, 200 million, does that mean everyone else has to? No, it doesn't. The new rules like two body kits instead of three means teams don't have to worry about tunnel hours going to an additional version of the car. There's no one to blame but VAG who spent so much money they set a precedent to compete. With Audi gone and new rules, the wec has said cost cutting is one of if not the top agenda. If anyone read the news and the interviews, they would know this. It seems like most don't bother, they just want to blame the rule makers because they feel hybrids are bad and the reason why it's expensive.
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I wonder if all these articles I've read about cost cutting will be as successful as the F1 cost cutting articles I've read.
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Who says they have to?.
Maybe if they spent some more money they may of had a fully developed engine that could last 24 hours instead of 23 hours and 50 odd minutes?
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Maybe if they spent some more money they may of had a fully developed engine that could last 24 hours instead of 23 hours and 50 odd minutes?
I think the other Toyota (#6) had no engine issue. I wasn't talking about Toyota not needing to spend but a new manufacturer entering. Nissan spent even less than Toyota did. Not saying that they were on pace, but no one knows what that project could have been capable of with a working hybrid and a bit more time.

I don't know if f1 is a good comparison to the wec in terms of the cost cuts. They have only one engine formula, have no testing, a single tire etc. But all that makes the teams spend more on things away from the track to speed up the car. Not to mention they have more than double the races and seem to be expanding. Hopefully the wec is a bit more concerned about the little guy than what f1 has been.
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Old 16 Feb 2017, 10:42 (Ref:3712556)   #11686
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Why else keep all 200 employees who worked on the LMP1 program if they don't expect to be back or aren't working on something? I doubt that generosity on the part of Audi and Audi Sport is the number one factor here.
They are not kept "on the LMP1 program", they are kept within Audi Sport, and Audi itself. As Audi tries to position itself in the premier category, imagine the damage from them letting go 200 of their top engineers. Maybe not in layman's PR terms, but for the employees. I for one would expect my employer not to have me suffer for their mistakes, or, worse, scams. IMO, this is an - expected, and required - show of "class" from Audi. I'd expect nothing less. And this has nothing to do with "generosity", but more with an image damage of Audi, the employer, for prospective race-quality engineers.
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