LMS Round 2: Monza, April 25-27, 2008

[sssssssss]

last time i saw the live timing of today's monza practice session, audi was on top of peugeot. they're still not running at full pace, as the r10 was the fastest car overall at 1:35.066 (if i remember correctly - anyway 1:35.0--), which is still half a second slower than peugeot's qualifying times of last year. however, audi seem to have done something to the r10. or maybe they just still have got the speed, as they did at the 2007 24h of le mans, if they don't need to run a high downforce setup (like in barcelona or sebring) to compensate peugeot's superior speed in the corners (the aco official data for le mans 2007 shows that peugeot was faster in the corners even in 2007, while the audi was constantly faster in a straight - just one peugeot did 338 km/h, and that only once - all the other occasions that the peugeot was caught through the speed trap it did less than 335 km/h on the mulsanne, while audi constantly did 338 km/h). monza is a rather low downforce circuit because of the huge straights (i guess it's the most similar circuit to le mans in the entire lms schedule) and audi might have the speed to beat peugeot here.

[Tom908V12]

So both 908s in front of both R10s then come the Lola Aston, an Oreca, a Pesca,...best LMP2 the VM Porsche no far in front of the Lola Sebah

Next free practice in a little more than 2.30 hours

[Dunlop Corner]

Where do you see the practice times?
The official site does not have them on yet.

[sssssssss]

they're here:
http://www.lemans-series.com/en/s52_....php?circuit=3

[sssssssss]

1 8
"LM"P1
Team Peugeot Total Peugeot 908 HDi-FAP

* SARRAZIN Stephane

France 01min 34.862 s 4
2 7
"LM"P1
Team Peugeot Total Peugeot 908 HDi FAP

* GENE Marc

France 01min 34.914 s 4
3 1
"LM"P1
Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R10 TDI

* CAPELLO Rinaldo

Allemagne 01min 35.066 s 4
4 2
"LM"P1
Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R10 TDI

* ROCKENFELLER Mike

Allemagne 01min 35.978 s 4
5 10
"LM"P1
Charouz Racing System Lola Aston Martin

* CHAROUZ Jan

Rép. Tchèque 01min 36.200 s 4

[Dunlop Corner]

Impressive the Lola-Aston on such a power heavy circuit, is only 1.3 behind the fastest Pug!
That Aston engine must be way stronger than the Judds.

[sssssssss]

the lola aston martin is indeed a very powerful car. however this was just the first practice session. i'd expect faster times from both audi & peugeot, and also, they all talk a lot about the race speed that is much harder to get here because of the long straights which require engine forcing all the time. last year, peugeot was just 2 seconds slower in the race than in qualifying at monza, and audi are legendary for maintaining their qualifying pace in the race as well - le mans always proved they're bulletproof with racing flatout for 24 hours, even. so i don't know if the lola aston martin will be able to maintain such a small gap from the leading diesels in the race.

[canam]

Originally Posted by Dunlop Corner

Impressive the Lola-Aston on such a power heavy circuit, is only 1.3 behind the fastest Pug!
That Aston engine must be way stronger than the Judds.

Of course it will be. It has a much larger restrictor than the Judds. H Pescarolo suggested it has got between 70-80 bhp more--and a lot more torque than the Judd. Do the engine regs make the chassis look good??

[chernaudi]

Originally Posted by sssssssss

last time i saw the live timing of today's monza practice session, audi was on top of peugeot. they're still not running at full pace, as the r10 was the fastest car overall at 1:35.066 (if i remember correctly - anyway 1:35.0--), which is still half a second slower than peugeot's qualifying times of last year. however, audi seem to have done something to the r10. or maybe they just still have got the speed, as they did at the 2007 24h of le mans, if they don't need to run a high downforce setup (like in barcelona or sebring) to compensate peugeot's superior speed in the corners (the aco official data for le mans 2007 shows that peugeot was faster in the corners even in 2007, while the audi was constantly faster in a straight - just one peugeot did 338 km/h, and that only once - all the other occasions that the peugeot was caught through the speed trap it did less than 335 km/h on the mulsanne, while audi constantly did 338 km/h). monza is a rather low downforce circuit because of the huge straights (i guess it's the most similar circuit to le mans in the entire lms schedule) and audi might have the speed to beat peugeot here.

Actually I thought that the Audi and Peugeot were able to run about the same speed on the straights and the Audis were faster in the fast twisty stuff(ie, the Porsche Curves). But the Pugs had to take it easy to finish, and had steering problems, didn't they?

[sssssssss]

they did have problems. but no, in the official ACO timing and scoring peugeot always have slightly faster times and higher speeds in the corners than audi do, especially in the porsche curves. but they only hit 339 km/h once (it was 339, not 338 - my bad) while audi did 338-339 km/h most of the time.

[sssssssss]

and you could see that most of audi's decisive attacks on the peugeots were at the mulsanne-indianapolis section (which is about as fast as mulsanne) or at the end of the mulsanne straight.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by canam

Of course it will be. It has a much larger restrictor than the Judds. H Pescarolo suggested it has got between 70-80 bhp more--and a lot more torque than the Judd. Do the engine regs make the chassis look good??

He claims the 3% larger P1 restrictor gained his Judd 20bhp, yet the Aston Martins 3% larger still restrictor 70-80bhp EXTRA, so effectively 90-100bhp up on a 2007 petrol P1.

The Pescarolo chassis hasn't even been in a wind tunnel, while the Judds roots are over a decade old, with development coming with customer orders, not 24/7 as with a manufacturer.

The major advantage of a manufacturer developed GT1 motor is bulletproof reliability, it can be pushed for 24hrs if need be.

[sssssssss]

do they record trap speeds at monza? i mean, trap speeds that we might find out.

[fish88]

Oke now we have 1 GT1 entry lesser for the rest of the season... Almost gonna look like ALMS

Larbre Competition forced to quit series

Larbre Competition have withdrawn from the Le Mans Series with immediate effect, citing too many commitments as their reason for quitting.
The French outfit, who ran a solitary Saleen S7R Ford in the series, finished second in the GT1 class with Christophe Bouchut, Frederic Makowiecki and Patrick Bornhauser, in the opening round of the LMS at Barcelona three week's ago.
Team Principal Jack Leconte said: "It is with regret that we are leaving the Le Mans Series, of which we have been staunch supporters in recent times.
"However, our programmes in the FIA GT and FFSA GT Championships provide a number of date clashes, meaning it is no longer viable for us to continue."
A statement from the team added that with Larbre being asked to run Scuderia AC Argentina's FIA GT Championship programme in 2008, alongside its existing FIA GT and FFSA GT commitments, they had no choice but to quit the LMS.
Larbre confirmed that they still intend to compete in the Le Mans 24 Hours in June.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/66840

[sssssssss]

peugeot 908 hdi: 1:33.113. this is really unheard of in le mans-style cars, and one and a half second faster even than the 908's last year's pole position. audi won't ever beat that.

[vorsprung]

Audis dipped to high 1.34s, but those Peugeots are quick!

[sssssssss]

we'll still witness an uneven fight between the two titans, unfortunately. i guess now it's hightime for audi to really worry about their le mans 24 race, after 8 years.

[Tom908V12]

Marc Gené should have used his full experience of the track, and it PAID apparently

[SebringMG]

Originally Posted by JAG

He claims the 3% larger P1 restrictor gained his Judd 20bhp, yet the Aston Martins 3% larger still restrictor 70-80bhp EXTRA, so effectively 90-100bhp up on a 2007 petrol P1.

The Pescarolo chassis hasn't even been in a wind tunnel, while the Judds roots are over a decade old, with development coming with customer orders, not 24/7 as with a manufacturer.

The major advantage of a manufacturer developed GT1 motor is bulletproof reliability, it can be pushed for 24hrs if need be.

And more importantly Henri is getting left behind by Oreca who have the same engine!!! Sorry Henri your chassis is not good enough anymore!!

[The Badger]

End-info is reporting that Larbre have abondoned the LMS ..... thats a shame !!!

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by The Badger

End-info is reporting that Larbre have abondoned the LMS ..... thats a shame !!!

See posting #89 in this topic.

[nasdriv87]

Originally Posted by sssssssss

we'll still witness an uneven fight between the two titans, unfortunately. i guess now it's hightime for audi to really worry about their le mans 24 race, after 8 years.

imo, a 24hs race is quite different from 1000km in a race!!!! remember last year when pugs are in pole on lemans, and guess what?!?!?!? audi won!!!

i'll be wait for the race yet!!!

[Truckosaurus]

Anyone knows what time RLM will be broadcasting? Their website just says "Saturday/Sunday".

[nasdriv87]

Originally Posted by Truckosaurus

Anyone knows what time RLM will be broadcasting? Their website just says "Saturday/Sunday".

Saturday 26th April
08:45 Free Practice
12:30 Qualifying

Sunday 27th April
08:00 Warm-up
11:30 Race

from radiolemans.com

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Truckosaurus

Anyone knows what time RLM will be broadcasting? Their website just says "Saturday/Sunday".

On the RLM home page on the left hand side is a column with several options in it. If you click on the 'Le Mans Series' bar it will bring up the information on the broadcasts including times.


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