LMS Round 2: Monza, April 25-27, 2008 - Page 7

JAG · 26 Apr 2008, 19:49 (Ref:2187635)

LMP1 pole for the first LMS race at Monza in 2004 by the Audi R8 was 1m 38.461s, 7 seconds slower than the 908!

LMP2 pole was 1m 43.112s by the Courage C65, once again 7 seonds slower than the RS Spyder!

KSR88 · 26 Apr 2008, 20:21 (Ref:2187653)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

One the bottom of the page it says in blue writing "Direkt zum Live Videostream" click on that.

I caught Barcelona on Eurosport via Yahoo------but it is now blocked off with a message about geo restrictions in your area.

Any suggestions?

vorsprung · 26 Apr 2008, 20:27 (Ref:2187655)

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Originally Posted by KSR88

I caught Barcelona on Eurosport via Yahoo------but it is now blocked off with a message about geo restrictions in your area.

Any suggestions?

Might be about different broadcasting contracts on different sports.

I'll post a mms-link, which can be copy-pasted to media player, off the spanish stream prior to race. That's what I watched last race.

sssssssss · 26 Apr 2008, 21:00 (Ref:2187670)

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Originally Posted by Gil Abobeleira

That's 2 seconds faster than last year!!!

Are they going to be able to break the 3m20s bracket at Le Mans?

I don't think they will. The 1992 Peugeot 905 did Le Mans in 3:21.209 in the '92 configuration - which was about 4 seconds longer, in terms of time, than the 2007-1008 configuration, while doing Monza in 1:26.019. If the 908 did Monza in 1:31, they probably will do the new Le Mans track in about 3:24, maybe 3:23. And Audi about 3:25.

SMM · 26 Apr 2008, 21:16 (Ref:2187675)

Hello all. Been reading your forum for awhile - I hope I have something to contribute. On the Lemans Series website there is a link for live timing at Monza. On that page there are links for live audio and live video. I'd imagine the audio is Radio Lemans. I don't know what the live video will get you.

JAG · 26 Apr 2008, 21:34 (Ref:2187683)

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Originally Posted by sssssssss

I don't think they will. The 1992 Peugeot 905 did Le Mans in 3:21.209 in the '92 configuration - which was about 4 seconds longer, in terms of time, than the 2007-1008 configuration, while doing Monza in 1:26.019. If the 908 did Monza in 1:31, they probably will do the new Le Mans track in about 3:24, maybe 3:23. And Audi about 3:25.

I think the 92 and 08 Le Mans configerations are similar time wise, the first chicane for example is much tighter these days.

At Le Mans Peugeot will go for pole, but I think they will do just enough, they'll not want to fully show their diesel hand to the ACO, especially with factory petrol/hybrid entries on the horizon.

nasdriv87 · 26 Apr 2008, 21:51 (Ref:2187693)

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Originally Posted by sssssssss

I don't think they will. The 1992 Peugeot 905 did Le Mans in 3:21.209 in the '92 configuration - which was about 4 seconds longer, in terms of time, than the 2007-1008 configuration, while doing Monza in 1:26.019. If the 908 did Monza in 1:31, they probably will do the new Le Mans track in about 3:24, maybe 3:23. And Audi about 3:25.

i had read somewhere place about that lemans rule for lemans 2008 qualify about any car or proto couldn't go under 3.30 for safety... is that true!!!?!?!?

JAG · 26 Apr 2008, 21:55 (Ref:2187696)

No.

It's a 'rule' thats been in place for 15 years, it's a notional target time to keep classes balanced, just as we've seen with GT1 cars in recent years. For example the DBR9 and C6.R run 25kg heavier than the rest of the GT1 class........still dominant though.

The diesels will likely be 3 seconds+ quicker than petrol cars at Le Mans, so their restrictors may be pegged back while the ACO may up their minimum weight by 25kg, back upto 925kg, for 2009, while petrol P1 restrictors/weight remain unchanged.

HORNDAWG · 26 Apr 2008, 23:23 (Ref:2187728)

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Originally Posted by SMM

Hello all. Been reading your forum for awhile - I hope I have something to contribute. On the Lemans Series website there is a link for live timing at Monza. On that page there are links for live audio and live video. I'd imagine the audio is Radio Lemans. I don't know what the live video will get you.

I believe that is the LMS subscribed (pay) video link. Welcome to the forum.

L.P.

Gil Abobeleira · 26 Apr 2008, 23:43 (Ref:2187735)

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Originally Posted by sssssssss

I don't think they will. The 1992 Peugeot 905 did Le Mans in 3:21.209 in the '92 configuration - which was about 4 seconds longer, in terms of time, than the 2007-1008 configuration, while doing Monza in 1:26.019. If the 908 did Monza in 1:31, they probably will do the new Le Mans track in about 3:24, maybe 3:23. And Audi about 3:25.

They did 3m26 last year at Le Mans! And remember, the first chicane at Monza, as well as the second Lesmo, are now much tighter than in the Sport 3,5 L days.

So, in a 6 km track, the Peugeot are 3 seconds faster this year. I'd say that they may be able to be 7 seconds faster at Le Mans. Hence, a sub 3m20s there!

deggis · 27 Apr 2008, 00:41 (Ref:2187754)

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Originally Posted by vorsprung

I'll post a mms-link, which can be copy-pasted to media player, off the spanish stream prior to race. That's what I watched last race.

Great

How do you get that mms link from the webstream player window?

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Originally Posted by SMM

On the Lemans Series website there is a link for live timing at Monza. On that page there are links for live audio and live video. I'd imagine the audio is Radio Lemans. I don't know what the live video will get you.

Last time that audio link went to some Spanish radio that was obviously the one at the track. As far as I remember 3 weeks ago there was no video link on that page... I wonder that that means, just some webcam maybe?

Splendid Cat · 27 Apr 2008, 06:32 (Ref:2187809)

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Originally Posted by sssssssss

I don't think they will. The 1992 Peugeot 905 did Le Mans in 3:21.209 in the '92 configuration - which was about 4 seconds longer, in terms of time, than the 2007-1008 configuration, while doing Monza in 1:26.019. If the 908 did Monza in 1:31, they probably will do the new Le Mans track in about 3:24, maybe 3:23. And Audi about 3:25.

Ignore

**PascaLM** · 27 Apr 2008, 06:59 (Ref:2187814)

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Originally Posted by sssssssss

I don't think they will. The 1992 Peugeot 905 did Le Mans in 3:21.209 in the '92 configuration - which was about 4 seconds longer, in terms of time, than the 2007-1008 configuration, while doing Monza in 1:26.019. If the 908 did Monza in 1:31, they probably will do the new Le Mans track in about 3:24, maybe 3:23. And Audi about 3:25.

This makes sense. My predictions will be close to this...

HORNDAWG · 27 Apr 2008, 07:06 (Ref:2187818)

Hindy is up for warm up.

L.P.

**Dani Filth** · 27 Apr 2008, 07:13 (Ref:2187821)

problems for Gene it seems

HORNDAWG · 27 Apr 2008, 07:16 (Ref:2187823)

He exited the car pretty quick. I wonder if there was something amiss in the cockpit?

L.P.

vorsprung · 27 Apr 2008, 07:27 (Ref:2187829)

McNish and Sarrazin racing each other in warm up

Audis' are in low drag spec: no dive planes, no fender louvres

sssssssss · 27 Apr 2008, 09:35 (Ref:2187898)

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Originally Posted by nasdriv87

i had read somewhere place about that lemans rule for lemans 2008 qualify about any car or proto couldn't go under 3.30 for safety... is that true!!!?!?!?

it's not exactly like that, but yes, we've got some dissapointing news in that direction: the ACO are planning to reduce the cars' performance until either 2009 or 2010 - so not 2008, this year will be lightning-fast still

- so that the cars won't qualify under 3:30. it's quite weird, because at le mans there really isn't much of a difference in performance from 2006, when the pole was 3:30.466. the big change that made the 3:30 a 3:26 at le mans was the modified tetre rouge, which enables the cars to travel up to the first mulsanne chicane with 10 km/h more than last years and gain about 3.5 seconds per lap.

Spyderman · 27 Apr 2008, 09:49 (Ref:2187913)

Oh God! It's the ACO massaging again!

Could the thinking be: As it looks like the Peugeot is quicker than the Audi, we won't slow things down this year (some how it's less dangerous this year!). As we have been pressured to change the rules, we'll make sure that no one will beat the foretasted speeds that diesels (read Peugeot) will set this year.

Nah! sorry! Thats just me being cynical again!

sssssssss · 27 Apr 2008, 10:09 (Ref:2187929)

You have got a point there. There isn't much sincerity at the ACO, really. And it just seems to me that regulations are somehow banning Audi's performance as compared to Peugeot, in a subtle way. And also, to me, the safety issue never sounded quite well. Where is the responsability of a manufacturer like Bugatti when handing 1001 hp, 407 km/h cars to the public - amateur drivers basically - as opposed to the ACO letting the LMP1s (which sport huge amounts of downforce - and therefore, driveability) go over 340 km/h on the Mulsanne, once a year, with some of the greatest professional drivers in the world at their wheels?

On the other hand, I also read somewhere in these forums that dr. Wolfgang Ullrich stated they will have a new LMP1 out soon, and one that will still be an open car. Now that really doesn't make a lot of sense either, because from 2010 open prototypes will not be allowed to race Le Mans anymore. So, they're building a new car for 2009, which would be its test year, and than have to replace it or fully abandon the LMP1 project (maybe to give Porsche the room in LMP1, and Audi moving to GTs?)? Weird...

vorsprung · 27 Apr 2008, 10:21 (Ref:2187943)

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Originally Posted by sssssssss

On the other hand, I also read somewhere in these forums that dr. Wolfgang Ullrich stated they will have a new LMP1 out soon, and one that will still be an open car. Now that really doesn't make a lot of sense either, because from 2010 open prototypes will not be allowed to race Le Mans anymore. So, they're building a new car for 2009, which would be its test year, and than have to replace it or fully abandon the LMP1 project (maybe to give Porsche the room in LMP1, and Audi moving to GTs?)? Weird...

"Only closed cars" part of the future regulations has been burried. Current style open and closed cars will continue to race beyond 2010, but there might be some allowances for cars following ACO's proposed idea. Hybrid and other powertrain options will also be available.
So we get to moan about all kinds of different performance balancing and restrictor breaks

sssssssss · 27 Apr 2008, 10:22 (Ref:2187947)

Oh! That's great news I wasn't up to date with, seemingly :P Thanks for the correction!

rdjones · 27 Apr 2008, 10:29 (Ref:2187949)

I have had a few Media Player problems over the last few weeks and I have just managed to get them sorted so I now have Hindy playing out loud and clear !!!

rdjones · 27 Apr 2008, 10:36 (Ref:2187957)

Problems for the #2 Audi the car has stopped on the out lap.

vorsprung · 27 Apr 2008, 10:45 (Ref:2187960)

Link time!

Live timing: version 1, version 2

Radio Le Mans

german web browser stream

spanish web browser stream

spanish mms-stream for external media player

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