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Old 31 Jul 2009, 18:30 (Ref:2512662)   #51
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Porsche really made an error here.

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Old 31 Jul 2009, 18:36 (Ref:2512666)   #52
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What a strange GT "Q"ing session!! Seems very disjointed.




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Old 31 Jul 2009, 18:55 (Ref:2512674)   #53
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I really hope that Porsche and the ACO/FIA come to an agreement on this apparent violation. It would be a shame if the field became nothing but Ferraris in GT.
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Old 31 Jul 2009, 19:02 (Ref:2512681)   #54
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alas no time from the Spyker... anyone know what happened?

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The Spyker Squadron car will start from the back of the grid tomorrow after not finding enough time to retrofit the engine for qualifying.
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Old 31 Jul 2009, 19:09 (Ref:2512682)   #55
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Old 31 Jul 2009, 19:15 (Ref:2512685)   #56
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Where can be found the rules regarding the case with Porsche ?
If they are really in a violation it would be awful for someone like them.
Really disappointing...
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Old 31 Jul 2009, 21:32 (Ref:2512768)   #57
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Where can be found the rules regarding the case with Porsche ?
If they are really in a violation it would be awful for someone like them.
Really disappointing...

Here Art.# 5.2 - Modifications : pg. #9

5.2.1 – Cylinder block, cylinder head(s), valve angles, firing
order, number and location of camshafts : they must remain
original, as they are fitted on the series vehicle.
5.2.2 - The adding of material to the cylinder block or cylinder
head(s) is not permitted. Intake and exhaust manifolds are
free but they must be supported on the original cylinder
head gasket face.


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Old 1 Aug 2009, 07:36 (Ref:2512967)   #58
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It just occured to me how spread out the grid looks without an R15 or 908 lockout .

Best starting grid in ages !!!
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 10:25 (Ref:2513046)   #59
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Here Art.# 5.2 - Modifications : pg. #9

5.2.1 – Cylinder block, cylinder head(s), valve angles, firing
order, number and location of camshafts : they must remain
original, as they are fitted on the series vehicle.
5.2.2 - The adding of material to the cylinder block or cylinder
head(s) is not permitted. Intake and exhaust manifolds are
free but they must be supported on the original cylinder
head gasket face.


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But 5.2.3 reads as follows:

5.2.3 – Cylinder heads may be modified by machining, provided
that the original part remains identifiable. The valve tappet
guides may be fitted with sleeves if not originally. The
cylinder block may be modified by machining :
for the modification of the bore or for sleeving if the
original block is not fitted with sleeves.

• Below the horizontal plane passing through the axle of
the crankshaft bearings for the mounting of the dry
sump.
The oil sump is free and may include the crankshaft bearing
caps.


So now, I'm confused!
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 12:58 (Ref:2513176)   #60
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for the modification of the bore or for sleeving if the
original block is not fitted with sleeves.
it says you can sleeve it only if the block was not sleeved already and porsches gt3 block is sleeved

from the new gt3 "The cylinder cases are made of a light alloy featuring aluminum, with Nikasil®-coated liners. For improved efficiency, including better fuel economy, the engine's compression ratio was raised to 12.0:1."

I guess those aluminium nikasil liners were not strong enough so they put in steel ones wich is against the rules, the parts must remain original
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 13:32 (Ref:2513188)   #61
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I'm not sure that that is a "sleeve".
There is no need to "sleeve" the normal GT3 as it is not bored out to 4.0L
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 15:13 (Ref:2513233)   #62
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A liner, is a sleeve! I think, and this is just supposition as we do not have a clear picture yet, that we are dealing with the part in question not being included in the homologation. But we will need to see exactly what the situation is before we know which way to jump on this. That being said, it does seem that there is something hinky going on with the engine or there would not be a row about it!!




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Old 1 Aug 2009, 15:18 (Ref:2513237)   #63
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Porsche are masters in finding loopholes, I am pretty confident that this is the case here as well...
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 15:18 (Ref:2513238)   #64
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it says you can sleeve it only if the block was not sleeved already and porsches gt3 block is sleeved

from the new gt3 "The cylinder cases are made of a light alloy featuring aluminum, with Nikasil®-coated liners. For improved efficiency, including better fuel economy, the engine's compression ratio was raised to 12.0:1."

I guess those aluminium nikasil liners were not strong enough so they put in steel ones wich is against the rules, the parts must remain original
I would agree with this, if, what we have heard is true and they have changed out the liners without, before hand, getting a waiver or re-homologating the engine with the new part(s).



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Old 1 Aug 2009, 16:49 (Ref:2513274)   #65
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I wonder if will there be any live video streaming?!?!?!?
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 17:03 (Ref:2513280)   #66
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I wonder if will there be any live video streaming?!?!?!?
I also wonder. Maybe someone will tell us.
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 17:17 (Ref:2513286)   #67
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I also wonder. Maybe someone will tell us.
so, did u get it????
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 17:22 (Ref:2513291)   #68
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so, did u get it????
i'm not sure how to open that...what program do i need to use?
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 17:28 (Ref:2513296)   #69
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There will be some coverage on Eurosport.Check it out.
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 17:29 (Ref:2513297)   #70
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Does Eurosport Player have full race coverage, or are there any free stream's?
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 17:32 (Ref:2513301)   #71
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 17:58 (Ref:2513319)   #72
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Any streams guys?
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Old 1 Aug 2009, 18:19 (Ref:2513321)   #73
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No stream ????
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Apparently not. No streaming, no timing. Welcome to the 21st Century.
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Both Felbermayr Porsches in the pits.

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