The never ending Toyota return to Le Mans (LMP1) Saga

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Looks like AP Racing to me .

I clearly see the Brembo logo on that picture and Sam explicitly mentions Brembo in his article

Anyway, another picture to clear any doubt.

[Rennen]

Interesting to see the promotional Poster/Advert for LeMans depicts a Toyota ahead of an Audi !!!

BTW some pages back someone posted guessed manufacturing times for constructing a Carbon Chassis...I've now heard how long it actually takes and it's many, many, many more weeks more than what was suggested!

[gwyllion]

Which post are you referring to?

• #2327: 6+ weeks for Oreca and OAK
• #2331: 22 days for Cadillac LMP900
• #2423: 6 weeks for Peugeot 908

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

I clearly see the Brembo logo on that picture

Yep , your right .

[gwyllion]

On facebook there are a comment on today's announcement: http://www.facebook.com/ToyotaMotors...01274039906072

The test at Magny Cours will be a functionality test, on a single day. Before Le Mans, the team will have a testing program on another track which is not confirmed yet. All the crew is working very hard to be ready for the Le Mans challenge but remember that 2012 is a year of learning and development.

[tyronnezx]

Originally Posted by Articus

Brembo isnt neccesarily the only major brake company. I know that AP racing does brakes for many teams as well.

im just saying in regards to the Toyota project

Originally Posted by gwyllion

No need to worry. Toyota uses Brembo brakes.

source: http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...brid-revealed/

this is from the old crashed TS030.

Originally Posted by Coopz21 x

so does anyone think that the paint scheme they are running now is the one they are gonna use?

im guessing that this is the final scheme. dont think they will change anything this year. it would look stupid if they changed now that all the promo material for lemans had been finalized with this livery

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by tyronnezx

this is from the old crashed TS030.

What is your point Do you think that Toyota changed brake supplier for no apparent reason? Also note that through out their F1 times, they also used Brembo.

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Also note that through out their F1 times, they also used Brembo.

They can change anything they like . And what they used in F1 is completely irrelevant to what their using now .

[gwyllion]

I am just pointing out that TMG had 8 years of experience with Brembo in their F1 times. That could explain why TMG selected Brembo for the TS030.

[Articus]

Or because everyone and there mother uses Brembo or AP-Racing haha.

[alexkiller8]

AP racing is a group brand of brembo, i may be wrong but maybe AP brakes and brembo brakes are the same brake with just a different name.

[tyronnezx]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

What is your point Do you think that Toyota changed brake supplier for no apparent reason? Also note that through out their F1 times, they also used Brembo.

what the badger said.

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by tyronnezx

what the badger said.

Are you seriously suggested that they switched from Brembo to AP Racing since the start of the TS030 program? That makes little sense.

[CTD]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Are you seriously suggested that they switched from Brembo to AP Racing since the start of the TS030 program? That makes little sense.

I agree, that Toyota/TMG/Oreca can change pretty much what they want.
However, i think it's very unlikely that this is the case as Toyota and Brembo has made a deal for at least a whole years supply of brakes, with a performance and safety clausel. Ei that Toyota can back out of the deal if its unsafe to race Brembo, or they just isn't effective enough!

I do agree with you Qwyllion, the suggestion that Toyota have switched brake supplier even before the first race, is unrealistic.

[gwyllion]

In Formula 1 teams sometimes use Brembo and AP calipers depending on the circuit. However, AFAIK this practice has never been applied in endurance racing. Audi and Peugeot also stuck to Brembo.

[Articus]

What ever happened to Hitco not that it matters?

[TF110]

I wonder if this is just nice-speak and they had the 2nd car already being prepared. I would think so and now they will make a third car to replace the 1st one that was damaged. Since this 2nd car was to be their 2nd car, but is now their main car. And then they'll have to assemble a 3rd car be be used as their #2 car at LeMans. Looking forward to the test pictures, hope we get some with the new aero.

[CTD]

Originally Posted by TF110

I wonder if this is just nice-speak and they had the 2nd car already being prepared. I would think so and now they will make a third car to replace the 1st one that was damaged. Since this 2nd car was to be their 2nd car, but is now their main car. And then they'll have to assemble a 3rd car be be used as their #2 car at LeMans. Looking forward to the test pictures, hope we get some with the new aero.

Are you suggesting that Toyota had the 2nd TS030 ready and just sitting there doing nothing?

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Are you seriously suggested that they switched from Brembo to AP Racing since the start of the TS030 program? That makes little sense.

Why are there differant brake companies at all then . Why (apparantly) do Brembo have two brands both Brembo and AP Racing ..... obviously , differant brakes opperate slightly differantly . Big deal if they changed brake suppliers , differant teams use differant exhausts and pistons .

Its well within their rights to change if they feels they need to . Just because they used Brembo for 8 years in F1 , doesnt mean their contracted to use them all the time . And F1 has differant parameters then sportscars .

When Porsche came out with the Porsche 956/962 , they used Dunlop tyres from 1982 until 1990 , then changed to Michelin . Why , cuz they could , it was a mistake for that matter , but they did .

Point is , they can change as they feel fit .

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Point is , they can change as they feel fit .

Not if they have a contract in place for the season they can't. Unless they want to spend money to get out of it.

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by TF110

I wonder if this is just nice-speak and they had the 2nd car already being prepared. I would think so and now they will make a third car to replace the 1st one that was damaged. Since this 2nd car was to be their 2nd car, but is now their main car. And then they'll have to assemble a 3rd car be be used as their #2 car at LeMans. Looking forward to the test pictures, hope we get some with the new aero.

Two chassis? In existence at the same time? That's surely a bit of a stretch for this programme.

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Simmi

Not if they have a contract in place for the season they can't. Unless they want to spend money to get out of it.

A contract wouldnt matter to Toyota ..... pittens to get out of it if its for the best .

So , your saying that one of the biggest car companies in the world would stick with a contract because they have to .

..... gimme a break will ya !!!

[CTD]

Originally Posted by Simmi

Not if they have a contract in place for the season they can't. Unless they want to spend money to get out of it.

Originally Posted by The Badger

A contract wouldnt matter to Toyota ..... pittens to get out of it if its for the best .

So , your saying that one of the biggest car companies in the world would stick with a contract because they have to .

..... gimme a break will ya !!!

Badger, even the biggest companies respect their contracts, and it's often the biggest of the two who pursue a firm contract the most.

But as i said earlier. A Brembo contract has possible clauses, which will most likely be with a safety and performance mindset.

But both points are correct. If Toyota wants to leave Brembo they can.
But are Toyota likely to do it, No. (unless there is safety or performance issues)

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by The Badger

A contract wouldnt matter to Toyota ..... pittens to get out of it if its for the best .

So , your saying that one of the biggest car companies in the world would stick with a contract because they have to .

..... gimme a break will ya !!!

Well to be honest I don't really know why we are having this discussion. The original point was, why would you change brake manufacturer before the car had even raced? That would be fine to discuss if it was actually the case. But it isn't.


But why would one of the 'biggest car companies in the world' be cutting it so fine to produce two chassis?


This is what happens when Toyota aren't racing. It leaves us to debate non-issues.

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Simmi

Well to be honest I don't really know why we are having this discussion. The original point was, why would you change brake manufacturer before the car had even raced?

Is that not the whole point of testing , to find out what you dont like before racing ?

Unless Im missunderstanding the meaning of the word test , can someone please explain it to me and the purpose of doing a test !