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Old 6 Nov 2012, 07:03 (Ref:3163204)   #26
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2. Montreal/Mosport 3 hours- March 30th
Ummm... Great chance for Michelin to show off their snowtires, but I'm not certain you'd get many spectators camping.

In no particular order.

Daytona 24
Sebring 12
Mosport
Spa
Fuji/Suzuka
Silverstone
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Throw in a couple more, and I'm happy
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Old 6 Nov 2012, 07:31 (Ref:3163218)   #27
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But it is, not your exaggerated way though. Even the current 6 hour format was made for tv due the clearer time slot vs. 1000km (ironically making most races a bit longer, though).

Length of the regular races must the single biggest reason for crappy tv deals and don't see this changing. ACO can ask for full live races, but they're not going to get them. Teams won't be pleased forever with 5000 worldwide webstream viewers. LM24 is of course different because it has prestige, and it happens only once in a year.

Maybe more time for errors to happen, but because a shorter race tends to have have naturally smaller margins between the positions, errors have bigger consequences. What added duration also creates is a lot more progression, which by definition is non-dramatic.
There are cricket matches, Test Matches, that run all day for 5 days, and are televised for the whole duration. A 6 hour race should be well within TV's scope, the only reason they aren't televised now is because there isn't the demand.

Shortening in the races isn't an option or they would have to drop the Endurance tag. Plus it would be selling out, and I would never encourage that.
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Old 6 Nov 2012, 07:49 (Ref:3163228)   #28
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Daytona 24 Hours
Sebring 12 Hours
Mille Miglia
Targa Florio
Spa 1000km
Le Mans 24 Hours
ADAC 1000km
RAC Tourist Trophy
Venezuelan Sportscar Grand Prix
Carrera Panamericana
I was playing on the 'dream' element a little strongly here, so I'll attempt a more realistic version including modern restrictions such as grouping races by location and going to China and the Middle East. I'd like to have Daytona and Sebring, plus a South American race, but I don't know if that would be a bit of a squeeze early in the year. Anyway:

Feb: Daytona 24 Hours
March: Sebring 12 Hours
March: Mexico City 6 Hours/Mil Milhas Brazil
April: Monza 6 Hours
May: Spa 6 Hours
June: Le Mans 24 Hours
July: Nurburgring 6 Hours
August: Silverstone 6 Hours
Sep: Zhuhai 6 Hours
Oct: Suzuka 6 Hours
Oct: Dubai 12 Hours

It would be nice if the were decent alternatives to Nurburgring and Silverstone, but with Hockenheim having been savaged and the restrictions at Brands, there aren't really.
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Old 6 Nov 2012, 22:45 (Ref:3163535)   #29
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Sebring is just a stupid, old tradition IMHO. An WWII airbase street circuit's claim to fame... I would have never guessed it in a million years when cars first started racing at Sebring.

My ideal schedule... 15 races spread across the globe.

1. March - Nurburgring (24 hrs circuit) - 24 hrs
2. April - Silverstone - 6 hrs
3. April - Portimao - 3 hrs
4. May - Catalunya - 3 hrs
5. May - Spa - 24 hrs
6. June - Le Mans - 24 hrs
7. July - Hungaroring - 3 hrs
8. August - Fuji - 3 hrs
9. August - Bahrain - 3 hrs
10. September - Sao Paulo - 1000 miles
11. September - Austin - 10 hrs
12. October - Yas Marina - 3 hrs
13. October - Istanbul Park - 3 hrs
14. November - Shanghai - 3 hrs
15. November - Monza - 12 hrs

Imagine ending the season at Monza in November... classic.

Could also have Brno, San Luis, or Phillip Island in there as well... those would be great. I guess we could do an 18 race schedule...
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Old 6 Nov 2012, 22:58 (Ref:3163540)   #30
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Sebring is just a stupid, old tradition IMHO. An WWII airbase street circuit's claim to fame... I would have never guessed it in a million years when cars first started racing at Sebring.
Have you ever been? No one who has gone and felt the history, the passion, and watched the cars racing into the sunset could possibly say that. If not, please do before you write it off, it is a magical place knowing the great drivers and historic cars that have run on those hallowed grounds. Part of the mystique is that cars SHOULDN'T race there. It is equally as emotional to me as Monza, and I LOVE Monza.
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Old 6 Nov 2012, 23:28 (Ref:3163552)   #31
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I hate things like this because they force me to choose between Mosport and Mont-Tremblant!

In no order:

Le Mans
Mosport
Watkins Glen (as if they'd ever)
Silverstone
Red Bull Ring
Interlagos
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Spa
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Old 7 Nov 2012, 00:15 (Ref:3163562)   #32
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Daytona 24H
Sebring 12H
Mexico 1000km
Imola 1000km
Le Mans 24
Nurburgring 1000km
Silverstone 1000km
Spa 1000km
Bathurst 1000km
Fuji 6 hours
Mosport 6 hours
Sao Paulo 1000 km
Portrero 12H

Go big or go home.
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Old 7 Nov 2012, 01:49 (Ref:3163579)   #33
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Here I go

Daytona - 24hr
Sebring - 12hr
Silverstone - 6 hrs
Spa - 6 hrs
Le Mans - 24hr
Monza - 1000km
Abu Dhabi - 6hrs
Suzuka - 500km
Nurburgring - 1000km
Petit Le Mans - 1000mi
México City 1000 km
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Old 7 Nov 2012, 02:36 (Ref:3163583)   #34
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Here I go

Daytona - 24hr
Sebring - 12hr
Silverstone - 6 hrs
Spa - 6 hrs
Le Mans - 24hr
Monza - 1000km
Abu Dhabi - 6hrs
Suzuka - 500km
Nurburgring - 1000km
Petit Le Mans - 1000mi
México City 1000 km
Interlagos - 1000 Mi
Best one yet except change Mexico City to Mosport
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Old 7 Nov 2012, 05:12 (Ref:3163606)   #35
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1. March - Nurburgring (24 hrs circuit) - 24 hrs
You'd have to cancel that round every single year due to inclement weather conditions. Like snow and ice.
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Old 7 Nov 2012, 06:20 (Ref:3163619)   #36
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Sebring is just a stupid, old tradition IMHO. An WWII airbase street circuit's claim to fame... I would have never guessed it in a million years when cars first started racing at Sebring.

My ideal schedule... 15 races spread across the globe.

1. March - Nurburgring (24 hrs circuit) - 24 hrs

15. November - Monza - 12 hrs

Imagine ending the season at Monza in November... classic.
A WWII, rickety old concrete air base seems like a great idea compared to March in the Eifel Mountains. Are we allowing snow tyres, attaching rear wings to the nose to make a plough? And, I'm all for having Monza in, but probably not in November, wouldn't really show it in its best light when its drizzling and cold.
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Old 7 Nov 2012, 08:36 (Ref:3163645)   #37
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I have to say that I think Yas marina has great potential for an Endurance race into the night. I think the nature of the circuit and the hotels and stands etc could create a great atmosphere and event if done well - a far better prospect for WEC than Bahrain
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Old 7 Nov 2012, 09:51 (Ref:3163674)   #38
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Sebring - 12hr
Silverstone - 6 hrs
Spa - 6 hrs
Le Mans - 24hr
Dubai - 6hrs
Suzuka - 1000km
Monza - 1000km
Lausitzring endurance layout - 1000km (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcNDpJtHon8)
Petit Le Mans - 1000mi
Potrero De Los Funes - 12hr
Interlagos - 1000mi
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Old 7 Nov 2012, 11:47 (Ref:3163718)   #39
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12h Sebring
6h Monza
6h Spa
24h Le Mans
6h Silverstone
10h Petit Le Mans
6h Phillip Island
6h Suzuka

I'd leave Daytona, Road America, Watkins Glen, etc to the North American championship. I'd leave the Nürburgring Nordschleife to GTs, it's too dangerous for prototypes these days.
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Old 7 Nov 2012, 13:31 (Ref:3163743)   #40
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I'd leave the Nürburgring Nordschleife to GTs, it's too dangerous for prototypes these days.
I'd agree with this, not so much that the Nordschleife is too dangerous, more that Prototypes are too fast, and too stiff, for it. Interesting reading in Autosport a bit back Stefan Johansson and Jonathan Palmer talking about the last 1000km there in '83 saying that the cars then were too stiff and fast, and the steering got kicked out of your hands in the bumps. The cars won't have got any better in this regard. If they were being driven around under 100% like some sort of demonstration it wouldn't be worth it.
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Not in order, but here's my 2 cents. i think its pretty important for the series to focus on older races such as sebring, targa florio etc for the obvious reasons.

Daytona 24 Hours
Sebring 12 Hours
Silverstone 1000km
Mille Miglia - at monza?
Targa Florio - at Imola or misano circuit Maro Simonchelli?
Spa 1000km
Le Mans 24 Hours
Carrera Panamericana - Portero de los Funes Circuit
infenion raceway
Montreal
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Fuji
Sao Paulo - interlagos
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Petit Le Mans or Austin?
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Daytona 24 Hours
Sebring 12 Hours
Monza 1000km
Spa 1000km
Le Mans 24 Hours (non championship)
Nurburgring 1000km / Silverstone 1000km (alt. years)
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Lausitzring endurance layout - 1000km (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcNDpJtHon8)
That's neat, never seen that layout used before.

But they need to ditch the second chicane and use the banking on the test oval
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This one isn't as much in dreamland:
1. Sebring 12 Hours
2. Monza 1000km (no first chicane)
3. Spa 1000km (start/restart after La Source)
4. Le Mans 24 Hours
5. Sachsenring 1000km
6. Brands Hatch 1000km
7. Road America 500 Miles
8. Interlagos 6 Hours
9. Potrero de los Funes 8 Hours (ending in twilight)
10. Autopolis 6 Hours
11. Autopia 6 Hours
12. Philip Island 1000km

This one is in fantasyland, just for the hell of it:
1. Daytona 24 Hours (pre-1984 layout)
2. Sebring 12 Hours (1967-82 layout)
3. Monza 1000 Miles (Mille Miglia, no first chicane, eased second chicane)
4. Spa 1000km (1979-80 layout, with necessary gravel run-offs)
5. Le Mans 24 Hours (Dunlop and Mulsanne Chicanes removed)
6. Nurburgring 1000km (Nordschleife 12.944 miles)
7. Brands Hatch 1000km (with the old Graham Hill Bend)
8. Enna Pergusa 1000km (Targa Florio, 1971-75 layout)
9. Interlagos 6 Hours (full 4.946-mile course)
10. Potrero de los Funes 8 Hours (ending in twilight, both chicanes removed)
11. Suzuka 1000km
12. Macau 4 Hours
13. Bathurst 12 Hours (no Chase on Conrod)

I did say fantasyland. Anyway, that's one roval, one real airport circuit, one serious street circuit, and a load of great road courses. You have a mix of power circuits and handling circuits, with several that will require compromise to accommodate some of both. (Also, I think 4 hours at Macau will be plenty.)

And in this dream scenario, I'd like to see the start at Le Mans done like it was in 1970; the cars are lined up echelon-style, with the drivers strapped in, and when 4:00p.m. rolls around, they drop the tri-color, engines fire, and they take off.
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I guess my schedule would be:
Mid Mar - Sebring 12 Hours
Ear Apr - Monza 6 Hours
Lat Apr - Silverstone 6 Hours
Ear May - Spa 6 Hours
Lat May - Algarve 6 Hours
Mid Jun - Le Mans 24 Hours
Ear Jul - Red Bull Ring 6 Hours
*BREAK TIME*
Ear Aug - Fuji 6 Hours
Lat Aug - Zhuhai 6 Hours
Ear Sep - Interlagos Mil Milhas
Lat Sep - Petit Le Mans
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That's neat, never seen that layout used before.

But they need to ditch the second chicane and use the banking on the test oval
Unfortunately, that section needs some SAFER barriers and catch fences installed in order to use the banked oval.
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[QUOTE=Purist;3163934]This one isn't as much in dreamland:
1. Sebring 12 Hours
2. Monza 1000km (no first chicane)
3. Spa 1000km (start/restart after La Source)
4. Le Mans 24 Hours
5. Sachsenring 1000km
6. Brands Hatch 1000km
7. Road America 500 Miles
8. Interlagos 6 Hours
9. Potrero de los Funes 8 Hours (ending in twilight)
10. Autopolis 6 Hours
11. Autopia 6 Hours
12. Philip Island 1000km

This one is in fantasyland, just for the hell of it:
1. Daytona 24 Hours (pre-1984 layout)
2. Sebring 12 Hours (1967-82 layout)
3. Monza 1000 Miles (Mille Miglia, no first chicane, eased second chicane)
4. Spa 1000km (1979-80 layout, with necessary gravel run-offs)
5. Le Mans 24 Hours (Dunlop and Mulsanne Chicanes removed)
6. Nurburgring 1000km (Nordschleife 12.944 miles)
7. Brands Hatch 1000km (with the old Graham Hill Bend)
8. Enna Pergusa 1000km (Targa Florio, 1971-75 layout)
9. Interlagos 6 Hours (full 4.946-mile course)
10. Potrero de los Funes 8 Hours (ending in twilight, both chicanes removed)
11. Suzuka 1000km
12. Macau 4 Hours
13. Bathurst 12 Hours (no Chase on Conrod)
QUOTE]

I like your more realistic schedule, that would be a cracking championship, but where/what is Autopia?

Also, from your less realistic one, what was the 1979/80 Spa layout?

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I like your more realistic schedule, that would be a cracking championship, but where/what is Autopia?
Autopia is a track in Korea that's currently being built and will host a round of the Asian LMS next year.
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Trickyd, Autopia is the new track being built in South Korea that is slated to host a round of the 2013 AsLMS. It is also known as Inj(a)e, owing to the name of that region of Korea. The track is an Alan Wilson design, but doesn't look like a conventional Alan Wilson design, and is definitely one of his best efforts. Autopia has some quite dramatic elevation changes around its 2.61-mile lap. Also, unlike Wilson's regular designs there is actually an infield, as the paddock and pit lane are inside the track perimeter. The track seems to be more open in layout than quite a few of his others as well.

Here's one piece on the track, but someone else will have to translate the Korean symbols.
http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?b...No=40143395549

(Note that the first course diagram in the link is the original proposal for the layout. The two below it show a modified layout, which I would imagine is what they are building. This modification opens some sections up, and addresses a few possible trouble spots from the original plan.)

As for Spa 1979-80, that was the original shortened layout coming from the old 8.762-mile circuit. The Bus Stop had not been added, so they were using the old Clubhouse bend. The new pits (where F1 is now) had not been built yet (so still the old start line after La Source), and Eau Rouge had not yet been reprofiled, as happened following the 1994 season. Blanchimont through Clubhouse to La Source had the old alignment of the road. It was the old curved stretches to and from La Source, and the narrower roads with the cambered corners throughout the lap. The forest still encroached right up by the track around much of the course.

Yes, it would be faster than the present layout. Then again, probably not as much faster as some are thinking. The removal of a few slower turns, and the cambers in the road, would speed things up by several seconds. On the other hand, the narrower track, narrower curbs, and NO paved run-offs would add some seconds back on to the total. For instance, the amount of short-cutting and running wide (which gains you time, obviously) that can be done at Eau Rouge now is ridiculous. The running wide part also certainly applies to La Source, Pouhon, Stavelot, and Blanchimont, not to mention the parking lot they have set up now at the final two turns.

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Here is My "Dream Schedule" But not just endurance events, some sprint races aswell. I doubt it would ever happen but we can dream......

1. 24 hours of Dubai
2. Losail 500 km
3. 24 Hours of Daytona
4. Sebring 12 hours
5. Monza 6 hours
6. Spa 6 hours
7. Brands hatch 500km
8. Le Mans 24 hours
9. Norrisring 500km
10. Silverstone 10 hours
11. Suzuka 1000 kilometres
12. Interlagos 1000 miles (Mil Milhas Brasil)
13. Buenos Aires 500km
14. Mexico City 500km
15. Petit Le mans 1000 miles
16. Shanghai 6 hours
17. South Korea 500km (inje circuit)
18. Fuji 6 hours

I know theres alot of races in the line up. But its just mess about. I know it would never happen.
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