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Old 21 Dec 2013, 14:20 (Ref:3346633)   #76
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At this point the Nissan LMP1 program is somewhat common knowledge, at least in the inner ring of sportscar fanatics!
Badly worded, imho. It is about believing what their PR says.

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I actually see more drawbacks than advantages if sportscar racing became as popular (or more popular) than F1. Sorry for going off topic.
No need to worry about that. A championship that's not a driver-centric championship will not ever keep millions of people watching it for 6 hours.

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Let's hope FIA no longer repeat what they did to the old Group C
So far it has gone the opposite way, since the mistake was to force teams to use F1-derived engines and now in 2014 regs it is merely a possibility.
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Old 21 Dec 2013, 14:23 (Ref:3346634)   #77
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No need to worry about that. A championship that's not a driver-centric championship will not ever keep millions of people watching it for 6 hours.
Explain that one for me?
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Old 21 Dec 2013, 14:32 (Ref:3346638)   #78
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plus ACO can not automatically accept Nissan's outside-the-rules concept (referred in the recent interview).
Since when was it considered "outside the rules"? Nissan interpreted the rules differently, doesn't mean it's flat-out illegal.

We don't even know what their idea is.
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Old 21 Dec 2013, 14:49 (Ref:3346644)   #79
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Length of the races is a nightmare for television. F1, Nascar and MotoGP are all driver-centric categories, the general masses mainly root for the drivers and not for the vehicles (excluding maybe Ferrari, but I think that is more comparable to a football club).

First one of these obstacles is fixable, but second one is obviously what the category inherits even in shorter race format.

WEC can grow a lot but in my opionion because of the last part it just can not reach the kind of mainstream status like the three series mentioned above. Hard to believe that even the old WS(PC) was close to F1 in terms of popularity - if it had been, it probably would not have died in a mere year.

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Old 21 Dec 2013, 14:53 (Ref:3346646)   #80
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Since when was it considered "outside the rules"? Nissan interpreted the rules differently, doesn't mean it's flat-out illegal.

We don't even know what their idea is.
That's what I meant, just tried to keep it short, but ACO still can't auto-accept it... another thing that makes the supposed condition weird.
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Old 21 Dec 2013, 16:04 (Ref:3346662)   #81
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Length of the races is a nightmare for television. F1, Nascar and MotoGP are all driver-centric categories, the general masses mainly root for the drivers and not for the vehicles (excluding maybe Ferrari, but I think that is more comparable to a football club).

First one of these obstacles is fixable, but second one is obviously what the category inherits even in shorter race format.

WEC can grow a lot but in my opionion because of the last part it just can not reach the kind of mainstream status like the three series mentioned above. Hard to believe that even the old WS(PC) was close to F1 in terms of popularity - if it had been, it probably would not have died in a mere year.

Yeah, I understand all that. I was forgetting the sacrifice that has to be made on the altar of the great TV gods.... Sports car racing, as they say, has always been 'car-centric' or 'team-centric' and for my money, long may that be the case. I appreciate that this doesn't work in financial terms, but the compromises or sacrifices that have to be made aren't always worth it.....
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Old 21 Dec 2013, 17:04 (Ref:3346682)   #82
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Badly worded, imho. It is about believing what their PR says.
If you look at it that way we'd have to wait until the first practice session goes green to see who is technically "committed" to the FIA WEC. It's really quite a silly way to look at it --- nothing would ever be "confirmed" until the first practice session at an event.

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I completely agree... it's team centric, and long live it. But so is football, American football, baseball, cricket, basketball, and look how popular they've gotten. Just because a sport or series is "team centric" doesn't mean it can't become popular.
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If you look at it that way we'd have to wait until the first practice session goes green to see who is technically "committed" to the FIA WEC. It's really quite a silly way to look at it --- nothing would ever be "confirmed" until the first practice session at an event.
Official announcement (press release) and giving the exact year when it is going to happen a la Porsche would be a pretty good confirmation. Certainly not the same thing as vaguely mentioning "possible future P1 program" in interviews or in press releases about another car (DW/ZEOD). Ambition to do something in P1, that is common knowledge.

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I completely agree... it's team centric, and long live it. But so is football, American football, baseball, cricket, basketball, and look how popular they've gotten. Just because a sport or series is "team centric" doesn't mean it can't become popular.
Do these sports have singles matches? Just saying that ball game team sports are different on many levels, starting from the fact that they are usually geographicallly connected to a city, so I wouldn't compare* and they are still more about the few individuals (star players) and the input of a single player is in a certain way more visible.

* ehm... I actually did compare Ferrari & football, but I only meant in the way tifosi fan context... and that is mostly a geographical thing.

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Official announcement (press release) and giving the exact year when it is going to happen a la Porsche would be a pretty good confirmation. Certainly not the same thing as vaguely mentioning "possible future P1 program" in interviews or in press releases about another car (DW/ZEOD). Ambition to do something in P1, that is common knowledge.


Do these sports have singles matches? Just saying that ball game team sports are different on many levels, starting from the fact that they are usually geographicallly connected to a city, so I wouldn't compare* and they are still more about the few individuals (star players) and the input of a single player is in a certain way more visible.

* ehm... I actually did compare Ferrari & football, but I only meant in the way tifosi fan context... and that is mostly a geographical thing.
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[QUOTE=Beetle;3346720]If you look at it that way we'd have to wait until the first practice session goes green to see who is technically "committed" to the FIA WEC. It's really quite a silly way to look at it --- nothing would ever be "confirmed" until the first practice session at an event.



I believe the term is "When the green flag drops the bullshit stops."
The entry list may well be confirmed but experience has shown that hardware on the grid is often different.
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Slightly more on the Larbre front... Manuel Rodrigues is looking for a full-season ride, assuredly with Jack Leconte's team?
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Sports car racing, as they say, has always been 'car-centric' or 'team-centric' and for my money, long may that be the case. I appreciate that this doesn't work in financial terms, but the compromises or sacrifices that have to be made aren't always worth it.....
Agreed. Isn't this why we all fell in love with this type of racing in the first place? No doubt it is what leads to the endless passionate debate by those who fear the "car-centric" aspect may be in danger. Racing has become so expensive that all forms are slowly creeping towards more cost containment, as well as speed and technological limitations. LMP1 is one of last bastions of true innovation. Several car manufacturers still see relevance in that thankfully, so the WEC for now appears to have a bright future.
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I completely agree... it's team centric, and long live it. But so is football, American football, baseball, cricket, basketball, and look how popular they've gotten. Just because a sport or series is "team centric" doesn't mean it can't become popular.
Cricket!! now there is a good example, last for about 6 hours each day and people watch that. They can bloody well watch Sportscars haha.

Saying that cricket isnt as popular anymore in the longer test form, but from tv research i have done cricket was basically all the sport BBC used to shown until the 70s. Get a whole days worth of cricket on tv compared to two short 20 min sections from an F1 race usually.
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Good point morningview66.

If I haven't said this before, mark your calendars for February 13th - FIA WEC and Le Mans 24 entries will be officially announced at the ACO Press Conference.
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I wouldn't expect Greaves in the WEC next year, although perhaps someone here can prove me wrong.

Nevertheless, Le Mans is definitely possible (and probable) so maybe Dyson's aiming for that alongside a full ELMS program?

From my understanding, Greaves's current consensus is:
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That's a good one, Simmi.

I have a feeling it will be Drayson Racing. They've signed up for Formula E and set the electric land speed record. They ran at Le Mans with Paul Drayson, Jonny Cocker, and Marino Franchitti in a GT2 Aston in 2009. Perhaps a GTE-Am Aston Martin in conjunction with AMR's factory plans?
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