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Old 4 Aug 2005, 12:33 (Ref:1371881)   #1
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New ACO class...

As discussed in other threads - this is what we were working in the run up to Le Mans... A new category to rac in the 'spare' weekend. Perhaps using these cars as reserves for the main race (well I only said perhaps).

The full article will not appear online so this one you have to buy!


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Old 4 Aug 2005, 13:27 (Ref:1371934)   #2
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A mix of LMP 3 and GT3 cars would be good, IMO.
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Old 4 Aug 2005, 14:21 (Ref:1371997)   #3
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What is the publication date of this particular issue of the magazine???

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Old 4 Aug 2005, 19:38 (Ref:1372260)   #4
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well its on my desk so I'd say mid next week in the EU - should be able to get it from borders and some WHS's in the UK. Tim its on a lot of newstands in the US but this issue won't be on sale there for about a fortnight.
Also worth keeping and eye on the RCE website because the car on the front cover has a short feature online, and the Le Mans report is due up too.

However I'm sure via the website you can get a single issue digitally.

I may put up the general class rules comparison on here next week.
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Old 4 Aug 2005, 19:41 (Ref:1372261)   #5
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I look forward to seeing the comparison, and also to pick up a copy of it here in the USA....

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Old 4 Aug 2005, 21:59 (Ref:1372366)   #6
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LMP3 type cars have great potential for teams priced out of (competitive) national GT racing.

BritSports looks to have a bright future, and if they can add a few older LMP2/SR2's to the mix pretty spectacular.
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Old 4 Aug 2005, 23:28 (Ref:1372414)   #7
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any ideas on what kinda engines would be in the LMP3/GT3 cars? I think they could be a great class for Toyota and Honda esp to test midsized hybrid technology and show to the world, esp critical Americans, that hybrids can be fast and durable
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This kind of sportscar racing is certainly alive and well, and picking up momentum, as series like VdeV, Britsports and the Sports Car Challenge show.

I'd say 2.5l to 2.7l would be a good engine size limit for such a class.
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Keep LMP3 for a national series ..... please !!! Some of the LMP2 are a joke already .....
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I suppose the GT3/LMP3 format could work for a feeder series.
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Keep LMP3 for a national series ..... please !!! Some of the LMP2 are a joke already .....

Agree.

Please let's not have LM turning in to a clubbie festival
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Tim its on a lot of newstands in the US but this issue won't be on sale there for about a fortnight.

However I'm sure via the website you can get a single issue digitally.
To follow up on my own post:

http://www.mags-uk.com/acatalog/ipc/...gineering.html

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Old 5 Aug 2005, 09:26 (Ref:1372675)   #13
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should say its the september issue and not ons sale on there yet!
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Old 5 Aug 2005, 12:25 (Ref:1372843)   #14
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I suppose the GT3/LMP3 format could work for a feeder series.
and maybe even a good "transition" series to bring new teams and drivers to the top levels of the sport...

Wish I would have thoutght of that
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Old 5 Aug 2005, 12:55 (Ref:1372872)   #15
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You did time - just after we did!

Here are the weights

LMP1 - 900kg
LMP2 - 750kg
LMP3 - 550kg
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Less weight means even less reliablity (compared to LMP2).
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not really a logical argument that. Less weight means smaller simpler cars - more reliability. When was the last time you saw a radical SR4 break?
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so why are P2s unreliable?
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Judge P2 in 2006 when they have had a little development time.
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P2 unreliability is a bit of a mystery, the best thoery I have heard on the subject it the calibre of team and driver it attracts - they are harsher on the car - understand less about things like pitch control and run kerbs harder and are generally unsympathetic.

Reliability and weight thoery simply is not logical.
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Old 7 Aug 2005, 15:09 (Ref:1374331)   #21
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The LMP2s are already becoming more reliable this season, it now takes a trouble-free race to win in both the ALMS and LMES.
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Indeed the LMP 2 class has been much more competitve this year IMO. A example of this would be the excellent 4th overall for Paul Belmondo racing's Courage C65 beating both the works LMP 1 courage and Creation DBA and works Zytek. The LMP 2 class had potential to be a disaster, fortunately however the opposite has happened IMO and the class is really beginning to shine.
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Old 8 Aug 2005, 08:47 (Ref:1374735)   #23
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Anyway LMP3's are on the whole rather reliable but it must be noted that they are designed for twin 60 - 90 minute races not 24 hours.
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Yes if the class did run at le mans it would be a support race rather than in the actual 24, isn't that right?!
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