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Old 11 Mar 2005, 23:26 (Ref:1249976)   #1
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Why did Ferrari fire Arnoux
Why did Ferrari fire Arnoux one race into the 1985 season?
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Old 11 Mar 2005, 23:41 (Ref:1249983)   #2
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Don't have a clue really, grandprix.com just says 'in mysterious circumstances replaced'...
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Old 12 Mar 2005, 00:12 (Ref:1249996)   #3
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Who replaced Arnoux ?
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Who replaced Arnoux ?
Stefan Johansson.
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Old 12 Mar 2005, 01:16 (Ref:1250027)   #6
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Interesting.

Was it already known that he was going to Ligier for 1986 ?

Could it be to do with an Italian and French rivalry ? Same as the Michelin tyres debate.. Renualt apparentally getting a better set them Ferrari.
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Its strange that Ferrari chose to sack him 1 race into 1985 after he'd finished 4th in Brazil. If it was because they were dissatisfied with his performances why wasn't he let go at the end of 1984?
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There were rumours of both romantic entanglements and a problem with a certain non-performance enhancing substance...
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Old 12 Mar 2005, 12:29 (Ref:1250248)   #10
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According to http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/rr406.html:
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The big news in the days after the Brazilian Grand Prix was that Rene Arnoux had been fired by Ferrari as a result of problems with his physical condition.
Make of that what you will
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There were rumours of both romantic entanglements and a problem with a certain non-performance enhancing substance...
You mean Mrs. ****** was not happy with his performance?
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At Imola he was in negotiations with Brabham
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I've read two suggestions
1. He was into cocaine or similar
2. He was having an affaire with Ferrari's granddaughter, the team manager's wife, or some other lady.

What is curious is that at the time the press, even the Italian press, kept very quiet about the reason.
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Was Arnoux known as a playboy though ?
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From what I understand it had something to do with cocaine. Someone caught him taking it before he got in the car during a test after the Brazilian GP. I think Prost new something was up with Arnoux when they were teammates at Renault. He said more then a few times, that someone like Arnoux was not good for F1. In 83 he said that he hoped Piquet would win the Championship if he (Prost) wasn't going to win it, because he feared that Arnoux was bad publicity for F1 and would give people the wrong idea what F1 was all about. He said this in an interview in Grand prix International. To me it seemed like he knew Arnoux had a coke problem, claiming that Arnoux as a person was not good for the image of F1.
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Could this stem back to the "f1 drivers on cocaine" story that was floating about during the european winter.

Maybe this guy who had so called connections to Ferrari had connections circa 1985, and not in 2005 ??
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Well I can't add much certainty to why Rene was replaced after the '85 Brazilian GP, but here is what The Great GP Enclopedia says about the affair:
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...The real reason lasy elsewhere and remained mysterious. Officially there was talk of a leg operation that the driver was supposed to have had during the winter and that went down bad with the Ferrari management.
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Unofficially. Arnoux's attitude away from the track and his rather 'relaxed' lifestyle did not please the Commendatore
They also muse in the book that it would have been better to end it at the end of '84 giving Rene a chance to find a drive for '85 rather than being left at a loose end.
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this is getting very interesting now.
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I've read a story that Ferrari wanted De Cesaris to replace him, but Guy Ligier wouldnt let him go without a fistful of cash.
If so why did Ligier sack De Cesaris before the season was out.
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Maybe because Andre kept throwing the blue cars into the scenery...Austria '85?!?!
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Old 14 Mar 2005, 05:47 (Ref:1251272)   #22
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So it could have been a straight swap if it wasnt for the money involved ?
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If he'd left at the end of '84, wouldn't that have left a place open for Bellof?
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I've read a story that Ferrari wanted De Cesaris to replace him, but Guy Ligier wouldnt let him go without a fistful of cash.
If so why did Ligier sack De Cesaris before the season was out.
I find that astounding, de Cesaris was only in F1 because daddy was a big wig in Marlboro Italy and most teams could only stand to have his permanent car-wrecking for a season (check out his record, 2 years at Alfa was I think his best). Maybe a wishful thinking plant from pater?
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I agree Ensign, it was only the fag money that kept him going for so long. I don't believe Ferrari, even in those days, would have wanted him. Having said that, he did some races in the Lancia LC2, maybe they were stumped for cash too...
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