BTCC Rounds 10/11/12 Knockhill 2020 - Page 8

Alfisti · 30 Aug 2020, 18:23 (Ref:3999044)

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Originally Posted by sceptic

Stewards decided to let him off as he's Scottish.

Or something like that.

Aye. Wee Jimmie Krankie would ha' closed the border and locked up all the English BTCC personnel in Edinburgh Castle's dungeon if they'd nicked his win.

To be fair he had the pace over the Hyundai, knows the circuit like the back of his own hand and would ha' had it anyway.

thetool · 30 Aug 2020, 18:28 (Ref:3999045)

Watching the video back frame-by-frame it doesn't look like the start was jumped anyway.

crmalcolm · 30 Aug 2020, 19:05 (Ref:3999051)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

when you have such a limiting track like this with the draconic contact rules added and with fragile toe linkage that's what you get

back in the BTC/ S2000 era you have a lot of racing even at knockhill like the legendary 2006 race 2

Or - when you have such closely matched cars and clean racing, we manage to avoid BTCC becoming a demolition derby.

Is one race from 14 years ago legendary because it so rarely happens?

Fragile toe linkage - what would you prefer to be the weakest point on the car? Something more expensive or difficult to replace, or part of the crash structure?

Alfaholic · 30 Aug 2020, 19:13 (Ref:3999054)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

maybe they should reallow push to pass, it's bcoming boring and sterille

No thanks - It's much better without Plato

AnnoyedMoose · 30 Aug 2020, 19:16 (Ref:3999056)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Given the damage to the chassis, I wonder if PMR are now pondering the wisdom of renting the ride out. That is not going to polish out with some T-Cut, going to need some of Willie Poole's magic I should think.

Not sure what difference it makes. Exactly the same thing could have happened with Plato or Jackson in the car.

GT6 · 30 Aug 2020, 19:29 (Ref:3999058)

Glad they did not change the result

porsche962fan · 30 Aug 2020, 19:42 (Ref:3999065)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Fragile toe linkage - what would you prefer to be the weakest point on the car? Something more expensive or difficult to replace, or part of the crash structure?

something which allows what Tingram and Sutton did thios race on regular basis, robbing side by side , it's miracle nothing got broken....

Greem · 30 Aug 2020, 19:53 (Ref:3999072)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

He's wasted to he honest. Drive round, win everything, making it look way way easier than it is whilst hopefully attracting the eye of a team owner higher up the motor sport food chain.

He dominates in the same way Ayrton Senna did.

And Cammish did in PCCGB, yet he's not exactly dominated in the senior series, has he? He's good, but there are other drivers just as good.

King needs to move up, sure, but he also needs to recognise that he'll meet his limit at some point.

Greem · 30 Aug 2020, 19:56 (Ref:3999075)

It's taken me while to catch up on today's footage. Decent weekend, if a few too many bumps causing delays/SCs over the course of the day. The Ginetta races were brilliant though.

Matt K · 30 Aug 2020, 20:09 (Ref:3999086)

Speaking of King, I'm curious whether he'll follow a GT path or a touring car one. He's a great talent though, that's for sure.

Greem · 30 Aug 2020, 20:19 (Ref:3999091)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

Speaking of King, I'm curious whether he'll follow a GT path or a touring car one. He's a great talent though, that's for sure.

I'm sitting here watching tonight's IndyCar race and wondered if he'd have a shot at that, but... he's young and therefore his career path so far is relatively short and (until this year) all with Ginetta. I think he'll have a solid career in GT racing myself, in a Pro/Am partnership.

I've been wrong before, mind you.

**bella** · 30 Aug 2020, 20:48 (Ref:3999101)

not sure how he'd stack up against current ridiculously good young pros in british gt. impressed with how well he speaks on tv as well in the live post-race interviews, porsche must have fallen over themselves to sign him up.

on another note, i was a bit worried watching bits of that final mini race. it felt a bit chaotic, and not in a good way. lots of stupid unnecessary things happening that are going to cost folk a lot of money.

porsche962fan · 30 Aug 2020, 21:18 (Ref:3999111)

the standings, if TOCA doesn't do penalties for RWD it looks like a 2 horse race

Turks 182
Sutton 172

Butcher 139
Oliphant 130
Cammish 125
Tingram 123

Manufacturers and teams standings looks like WSR cannot lose those

Sodemo · 30 Aug 2020, 21:24 (Ref:3999112)

Sutton has got some epic traction there out of slower corners, the Q50 isnt really that great in a straight line, but it seems to put the power down very well. Question is, will Thruxton show it up a little, as there arent that many traction zones there.

**touringlegend** · 30 Aug 2020, 21:28 (Ref:3999115)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

the standings, if TOCA doesn't do penalties for RWD it looks like a 2 horse race

Turks 182
Sutton 172

Butcher 139
Oliphant 130
Cammish 125
Tingram 123

Manufacturers and teams standings looks like WSR cannot lose those

And people were worried that Jordan going would be an issue. Oliphant has stepped his game up this year definitely.

crmalcolm · 30 Aug 2020, 21:32 (Ref:3999116)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

something which allows what Tingram and Sutton did thios race on regular basis, robbing side by side , it's miracle nothing got broken....

So what you're saying is what they have works?

crmalcolm · 30 Aug 2020, 21:34 (Ref:3999117)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

the standings, if TOCA doesn't do penalties for RWD it looks like a 2 horse race

Turks 182
Sutton 172

Butcher 139
Oliphant 130
Cammish 125
Tingram 123

Manufacturers and teams standings looks like WSR cannot lose those

If it was a 2 horse race between two FWD cars would it be a problem?

porsche962fan · 30 Aug 2020, 21:52 (Ref:3999125)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

If it was a 2 horse race between two FWD cars would it be a problem?

not if there wouldn't be any competent RWD teams/ drivers but here we do have plenty of top notch FWD talent which isn't anywhere , best example Tingram and Cammish

Matt K · 30 Aug 2020, 22:21 (Ref:3999129)

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Originally Posted by Greem

I'm sitting here watching tonight's IndyCar race and wondered if he'd have a shot at that, but... he's young and therefore his career path so far is relatively short and (until this year) all with Ginetta. I think he'll have a solid career in GT racing myself, in a Pro/Am partnership.

I've been wrong before, mind you.

IndyCar would be good but I'd also say he's most likely to have a GT career. Maybe even in a Pro category. But somehow I'd like to see him making a Cammish-like switch to touring cars but a bit earlier.

When it comes to current BTCC standings, I'm far from claiming it a two-horse battle now. Still quite a number of rounds left, some not really favourable tracks and possibly conditions for Turks and Ash, so it could be way open.
Personally I wouldn't mind if it was all between these two but BTCC is surprising quite often. But still, for now, I'm not trying to make it all about RWD v FWD thing. Turkington and Sutton have had a great start to the season and they happen to drive RWD cars, end of the story.
Is Cammish or Tingram a bit back just because of having a FWD machinery? I don't think so. Especially Cammish seems a bit disappointing this season. Look at Butcher for example. He's in a FWD car and quite often he's faster than Cammish.

crmalcolm · 30 Aug 2020, 22:26 (Ref:3999130)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

not if there wouldn't be any competent RWD teams/ drivers but here we do have plenty of top notch FWD talent which isn't anywhere , best example Tingram and Cammish

Who both have fallen short of taking the title to date.

Whereas the 2-horse race is between former champions who are arguably the best 2 drivers on the grid.

Two drivers of the highest calibre, driving cars that were designed and built by two of the best teams in the business, that were designed with those drivers in mind. If they weren't leading the championship, something would be wrong. The fact that they are both in RWD cars is a coincidence.

If it was too loaded in favour of RWD, then surely Moffat, Jelley and Boardley would be higher up the standings?

I don't recall the same claims made against FWD cars in the early stages of 2018, when only two of the top ten cars were RWD.....

Jon411 · 30 Aug 2020, 23:14 (Ref:3999133)

The FWD cars have been rather inconsistent so far this year which I think is the biggest reason for the points gap being what it is.

The Toyota, Ford and Honda are all fast cars but they've all had mechanical issues which has cost them a lot of points,

I suspect Thruxton will give us a different order.

SR18 · 31 Aug 2020, 06:54 (Ref:3999154)

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Originally Posted by Jon411

The FWD cars have been rather inconsistent so far this year which I think is the biggest reason for the points gap being what it is.

The Toyota, Ford and Honda are all fast cars but they've all had mechanical issues which has cost them a lot of points,

I suspect Thruxton will give us a different order.

Why? Don't forget Jordan won 2 races there last year

crmalcolm · 31 Aug 2020, 07:16 (Ref:3999156)

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Originally Posted by SR18

Why? Don't forget Jordan won 2 races there last year

The track temperature is likely to be a lot lower for one factor.

Jon411 · 31 Aug 2020, 08:49 (Ref:3999164)

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Originally Posted by SR18

Why? Don't forget Jordan won 2 races there last year

That was at the start of the year, the second Thruxton 2019 weekend should be more representative of what we can expect I would imagine with ballast, boost etc

S griffin · 31 Aug 2020, 08:55 (Ref:3999165)

Great action in all three BTCC races.

Ash and Colin are a class act at the moment. Their different styles will be fascinating to watch in the title battle.

Butcher trying a similar move on Hill that he did last year to Colin didn't end too well for him in R2. But a great drive in R3 shows he can still be a threat in the title. Just so glad he didn't get a penalty in R3, it was bad enough we had the threat of the win hanging over him during the race. Although it would have been ironic after inheriting a win at Oulton

Good drives this weekend by Hill, Moffat and Proctor. Also good to see Boardley up there amongst there amongst the minor points placings too

Josh Cook, what does he have to do? He's only a piece of luck is that he hasn't caught a certain disease. And what a shame Bushell leaves with no points. If he's not back, it will be a shame

Great drive by Harry King in the Porsches. And the Minis really seemed to get out of hand, the BTCC probably sets a better example atm

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