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Old 7 May 2023, 20:02 (Ref:4154911)   #1
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Old 7 May 2023, 21:33 (Ref:4154922)   #2
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Old 7 May 2023, 21:36 (Ref:4154924)   #3
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4. A few too many trains for my liking and dropped a few for the track which I don’t think suits these cars at all. Or maybe the place just doesn’t suit me!
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Old 7 May 2023, 21:37 (Ref:4154925)   #4
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As soon as Max got past Checo I turned off! The 6 was for the earlier scrapping down the field.
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Old 7 May 2023, 21:43 (Ref:4154926)   #5
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An improvement on last year but it wasn't a particularly good race. 4.
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Old 8 May 2023, 06:38 (Ref:4154955)   #6
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6. Like many other races this year, it was OK but lacked something.
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2. Literally nothing happened.
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3. Some good battling down the field, but overall another RBR walkover, despite Max starting in the midfield
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Old 8 May 2023, 08:46 (Ref:4154963)   #9
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I voted 5, then regretted it. It wasn’t worth that. We all knew what the outcome would be. Red Bull are so far ahead of everyone else it’s now becoming almost embarrassing. A few good battles, particularly between KMag and ‘Ragged Charlie’ but other than seeing Fernando take another podium, it really wasn’t worth the effort.
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Old 8 May 2023, 09:00 (Ref:4154970)   #10
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A generous 4 from me, mostly due to a massive improvement over the last race, but if things do not get better soon F1 will have to do something about the lack of excitement before the public turn off
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Perhaps I was just glad to see something better than Baku.
Actually the Ferrari v Alonso v Mercedes battle was pretty interesting.Also Max and Checo on opposing strategies was intriguing.
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I gave it a 5, and it was probably the best race of the season so far, although Bahrain was close because of the Alonso-Hamilton battle and Australia would have been better without the ridiculous red flags that made it a farce.

I think maybe the Miami track is judged too harshly. It isn't as good as the permanent tracks, but clearly better than Jeddah or Baku in my opinion because there was some good side-by-side racing at the start of the track.
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It was just OK - hence 6. I think the TV missed quite a few of the mid-field overtakes - admittedly there were a few battles going on from time to time.... I was spending more time watching the live timing screens to compare sector times to see what was going on.....
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2. Literally nothing happened.
This is demonstrably untrue.

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Did you miss the battle between Magnussen and Leclerc, where Leclerc took two goes at overtaking Magnussen for example, having been outfoxed with DRS down the pit straight the first time? That was nice! Verstappen even overtook two cars (those two - Magnussen and Leclerc) on one straight, the pit straight which is not that long, it was good positioning as they squabbled!

A superb overtake by Alonso on Sainz too. Russell also made many nice moves, including on Sainz.

There were many overtakes from cars on the offset hard-medium strategy towards the end of the race. Likewise of cars on the medium-hard strategy overtaking those on the former during the middle portion of the race.

The race was a solid 7/10!

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We all knew what the outcome would be. Red Bull are so far ahead of everyone else it’s now becoming almost embarrassing.
What's the problem?

A routine Red Bull Verstappen victory being expected, is no different to when a routine Mercedes Hamilton victory was expected some years ago. Verstappen still has quite some way to go to catch up to the total stats of routine victories and routine championships of the previous multiple champion after all, and routine wins are the best way to do that.

In any case, on average 50% of Formula One seasons since 1984 were contested and only 50% won dominantly, so we can expect it to average out over multiple seasons.

Besides, that only 0.9 seconds separated P2 (Sainz) to P20 in Q1 shows how incredibly tightly bunched the midfield teams are from P2 WCC to P10 WCC! Mercedes were P19 & P20 until their second run, showing how well the regulations are working to close the field and produce close competition... We expect Aston Martin will top the upper midfield and take P2 WCC (and Alonso take P3 WDC), but it could still be Ferrari or Mercedes yet... It's VERY tight despite Alonso taking best of the midfield most frequently so far!

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A routine Red Bull Verstappen victory being expected, is no different to when a routine Mercedes Hamilton victory was expected some years ago. Verstappen still has quite some way to go to catch up to the total stats of routine victories and routine championships of the previous multiple champion after all, and routine wins are the best way to do that.
The problem is that although there was some nice skirmishing here and there, I didn't need to turn the TV on to know who would win. The fact that this isn't necessarily unusual is no great mitigation for me and it doesn't make the race worth 7/10 for me. I'm perfectly happy for Max to win every race, I'd just like him to have to break into a sweat now and again to do it instead of doing a DRS-aided Rod Stewart impression every race.
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I gave it a 5. Pleasantly surprised by the circuit. Far better than Baku.
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I feel like I'm being a dick by point this out - but when someone says "literally nothing happened" thet don't mean actually nothing. It's a figure of speech. In terms of a motor race - nothing of interest happened. Every race actually has something happen. The worst, least eventful races in F1 history had something happen. But that doesn't make them eventful

A battle for a minor points position is not the best selling point. And I use that as an example of something that did happen as it's hard to say DRS passes are highlights. They're as eventful as a gearshift at this point. Nothing of value happened. Like, at all.
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Old 8 May 2023, 20:32 (Ref:4155083)   #18
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Just a 3.
I agree that nothing of really interest happened.


If they make a highlights of the season there will not be much from this race in it!
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7 from me - really enjoyed the race. There was plenty going on down through the field to keep me engaged almost to the end of the race.
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Well, if nothing else, this Rate the GP illustrates that we have different expectations for GPs and different thresholds for our ratings! I'm very happy that some considered this one worth a 7, which I regard as a fairly high score. I gave it what I thought was a generous 5 and that was after only watching the highlights. Am I missing something by not watching the whole thing?
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Well, if nothing else, this Rate the GP illustrates that we have different expectations for GPs and different thresholds for our ratings! I'm very happy that some considered this one worth a 7, which I regard as a fairly high score. I gave it what I thought was a generous 5 and that was after only watching the highlights. Am I missing something by not watching the whole thing?
On the plus side:
Lots of passes and battles.
Magnussen in the Haas was impressive and fought back when passed by faster cars
We can add Alpine into the mix for best of the rest with Ferrari, Mercedes, Aston Martin
Russell's opportunistic overtake on the Alpine.
Max drove very well and came through the field
We had a fight of some kind for the win

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The pace difference between RBR and others is so large the feeling is creeping in that we will not have a genuine non-RBR battle for the win all season long.
Verstappens DRS overtakes were never in doubt and none of the drivers put up any fight whatsoever, apart from Perez who was never going to hold him back for more than a couple of corners.
Another RBR 1-2 may not have been popular with people wanting some variation.
The pre race nonsense was particularly nonsensical and full of celebs hangers on.
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Well, if nothing else, this Rate the GP illustrates that we have different expectations for GPs and different thresholds for our ratings! I'm very happy that some considered this one worth a 7, which I regard as a fairly high score. I gave it what I thought was a generous 5 and that was after only watching the highlights. Am I missing something by not watching the whole thing?

I've watched highlights because I haven't been able watch a race live and I definitely think one can miss something by not watching a whole race. I try to watch a whole race, as often as possible, as I like seeing the story unfold as it happens. With highlights you don't get that. For example, people are saying Verstappen's win was predictable etc. Watching the race live and seeing him banging in quick lap after quick lap on those hard tyres, was impressive. That is what is missed by not watching the whole race.
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Not saying this aggressively but in my humble opinion, yes you're missing out on a whole lot. I like to see the small details, hear the odd gem from the commentary team, see the tension of cars running close and pushing each other hard in a game of cat & mouse that might not make highlights. The BIG problem with highlights the way I see it is that you are beholden to some TV director's view of what a highlight is and it's easy to lose all track of the complexion of the race.

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I try to watch a whole race, as often as possible, as I like seeing the story unfold as it happens. With highlights you don't get that. For example, people are saying Verstappen's win was predictable etc. Watching the race live and seeing him banging in quick lap after quick lap on those hard tyres, was impressive. That is what is missed by not watching the whole race.
Very good explanation I think - highlights would not have done that justice - it was simply relentless, banging in fastest lap after fastest lap.

If highlights are the ONLY option, then I guess that they're better than nothing at all but I've never found them satisfying personally. If you watch the whole thing, you can always choose to fast-forward through parts if it becomes less than enthralling but on balance, I think the full package is always better.
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