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Old 28 Jan 2004, 14:48 (Ref:853711)   #26
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But the power trip does... well for some of them he adds hastily hedging his bets..LOL


HAs that guy been for the scooby tyres yet Ian
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 16:18 (Ref:853835)   #27
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if there is no advantage in using parts without a ford stamp on ie components such as cams/follower and they are cheaper then surely it will benefit racers??? at the moment surely the regs are in favour of the engine builders. especially as the regs are written for when ford where producing loads of these many years ago.
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 16:35 (Ref:853865)   #28
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Slam a duratec engine in the back
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 16:36 (Ref:853867)   #29
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I think Mattray suggested some time ago that a spec. steel crank should be allowed. Sounds good to me as that is the major reason for rebuilds but think there are probably too many vested interests to consider it.

I would imagine if my business was engine builder I'd prefer FF1600 lumps that need a build every 10 hours+.
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 16:54 (Ref:853893)   #30
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 16:59 (Ref:853906)   #31
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It might be nice to have a design that didn't bend exhaust valves every now and again. I know you shouldn't do it, but it would stop a lot of excuses/spoilt races,

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Old 28 Jan 2004, 19:04 (Ref:854087)   #32
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I think Mattray suggested some time ago that a spec. steel crank should be allowed. Sounds good to me as that is the major reason for rebuilds but think there are probably too many vested interests to consider it.

I would imagine if my business was engine builder I'd prefer FF1600 lumps that need a build every 10 hours+.
u can have one of these "power" or "longlivity" which one ya gonna have?, if u want an engine thats gonna last 10000000 thousand miles my friend has a nissan engines diesel black cab with 900,000miles on it if your interested....


karting dad - head gasket is about 2-3mm thick, fit 10 of these at once and some super long head bolts and i think your problems will be over :P
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 19:10 (Ref:854103)   #33
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£500.I wouldn't mind, but its full of holes. Well ours is.

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Old 28 Jan 2004, 19:38 (Ref:854130)   #34
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To be fair to the engine builders the cost of the parts has to be passed on to the customer so they arent benefiting from the high parts costs, the labour on the engines would be the same whatever the cost of the parts! and the people at the front would probably end up having are-build every year anyway!

So the people that make the rules are FoMoCo? so no chance of getting the rules changed for the benefit of us? how did they do it in the USA then??
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 20:05 (Ref:854167)   #35
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Mattray, why would they want to change the rules? What's in it for them? We are probabably a damn sight more trouble than we are worth anyway, being a bunch of skint racing anoraks.They are making a fortune out of us!
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 20:06 (Ref:854172)   #36
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as far as im aware fomoco have to pass any rule change to do with formula ford (im sure diz can confirm/deny that) hence why would ford let you use another part and give other people the money then you can buy a new crank off the shelf from them...
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 20:09 (Ref:854175)   #37
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So how can it be changed? I dont care if we start to call it Formula formerly known as Ford but why should they still be making the rules about engines?? they have no interest in the Kent engine, they dont even have any interest in the Zetec so where is the benefit to them by keeping it Formula Ford???
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 20:13 (Ref:854185)   #38
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Tradition, I think it's known as. The tradition of buying parts of a 30 odd year design (and tooling and economies of scale etc.) and charging us 2004 money.

You are just jealous you did not think of it first!
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 20:19 (Ref:854195)   #39
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costs dear boy, open it up and you;ll have £3000 cranks, £500+ pistons, £1000 rods, super acurate;y timed cams, etc etc it'd just snowball, then the less well off drivers wouldnt suffer even more
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 20:20 (Ref:854196)   #40
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we could call this new series "formulacostuafortune"
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 22:34 (Ref:854390)   #41
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Surely by opening it up you wil create competition for our business and the costs will come down?!
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 22:59 (Ref:854423)   #42
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It depends I think,

If the FoMoCo stopped supplying the bits as they have no interest in Kent engines, there would be few suppliers who would be interested in machining these bits as there is a relatively small market for them.

If there were one or two independent manufacturers, they would be producing to smaller volumes, which would mean there costs per unit would be higher as a result. This would prevent the costs from being as cheap as we like. Also with just one or two suppliers available, they would have a monopoly style market position, and as demand for these bits is price inelastic (the demand is constant despite the price) why would the new suppliers drop the price by as much as we would hope they would?? They would be making less money.

If loads of suppliers made the bits, the prices could fall, but then we would have the problem of who made the best bits??? Invariably, the more you pay, the better the quality is, so we are back where we started.

Its just something we have to live with unfortunately.
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Old 29 Jan 2004, 01:26 (Ref:854520)   #43
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yup t'sprog () has it correct, also you'd end up with people with more money buying the best bits and the racing then becomes an "ive got more money than you so i can afford better bits in my engine, getting a better end result and whippin' everyones ass's thats no fun at all! having one fixed supplier prevents this and makes everything fairly level and its just down to how its put together and how its used,
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