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23 Jul 2006, 12:41 (Ref:1662703) | #1 | ||
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Track Safety at V8 Supercar Events
It seems like every round there is a major lack of competency in the various officials.
How could they let a race go back to green when there was shrapnel from Whincups brakes all over the track? They didn't show what happened during the break when that happened but even looking at the track you could see it was still littered with debris down the straight and pit exit. One of the cars exiting the pit ran over a chunk of it too. What about the cars literally racing past the rescue vehicle when the track was meant to be full-course yellow? That was astounding. Every single offending car should have been DQ for that. All that and yet they bring out a safety car for Bargwanna's safely placed car. Getting away with handing out ludicrous penalties is one thing, but the lack of accountability in areas of safety is crazy. |
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23 Jul 2006, 13:05 (Ref:1662717) | #2 | ||
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Too bloody right mate. These marhsals need to get their acts together. My dad was a marshal, and I spent some time with him at Eastern Creek checking out the sights. It's OK to have a laugh, but when you're called up, you need to do what they want you to do. No questions asked.
What about that Marshal that ran across the track while under a green flag? This is just incompetance by the marshals these days. Most of you would remember a marshal at Adelaide in...2001 or 02, running out on a wet track to collect some debris. If it's that important, you can called a Safety Car (but not for car that's not in the way) The drivers too! Safety Car was out, and those guys were still driving full tilt! If one of them had speared off on the front straight, death would have been a certainty for those guys. What do you reckon guys, do we need a changing of the guard over who's controlling the races these days, if so, who? |
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Your concerns in this instance is valid about those marshalls running across the track (Adelaide 2000 and in Darwin in front of BOC car), but on the whole, V8 Supercar has safetycar itis. Just watch an F1 race, they'll have diggers and cranes in the sandtraps and only have a local yellow, which in my opinion is sufficient. The only problem with the local yellows is that the drivers don't often observe the intended speed reduction.
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Maybe if you just went for the local yellow, but make them engage the pit-lane speed limiter when then encounter the first yellow flag, and let them turn it off when they get back to the green flag. First person to go too far past the yellow without engaging it gets pinged to prove they are serious.
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24 Jul 2006, 11:56 (Ref:1663316) | #6 | ||
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I think the idea of a penalty for a speed restriction is a good idea, but 40 km/h is a but to slow. Imagine the amount of rear enders you'd end up with. It would be too unconventional.
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Maybe a yellow speed limiter of 80-100kmh...
Put control lines on the circuit for different circuit sectors. Sector 1 (turns 1-2) is under yellow.. Sector 2 under green. Any car found going over the speed limit between lines gets a drive through. |
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I guess the other problem with that is that the maximum safe speed at any point under yellows would vary depending on the location, the nature of the incident and the response required. There would be some areas and occasions where 80-100km/h under yellow would be fine, others where 40 might still be excessive.
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I don't know if it was from Whincups brake adventure, but apparently Kees Weel was hit in the face by shrapnel from Whincups car! |
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As far as yellow-speed-limiters and control lines and stuff, what about just using common sense? |
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The biggest indictment in my mind has been the lack of penalties for crashes behind the safety car, I can think of 1 in V8SC and have seen a few in coverage of FFord. How about even looking at lap times of those catching up to “the train” after a pit stop – how many of those would be at race pace?
I like Rombles’ idea of a speed limiter, perhaps it would be possible to combine this with a Speedway style light on the dash which indicates when the driver must activate the speed limiter, eg what track segment or perhaps activated by short-range transmitters at that segment. This could include having a couple of speed options as mentioned. I am sure a system along these lines would be possible, which would allow for less SC intervention, less lost race time and less disruption of positions and margins. |
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Whoa, I had no idea that the shrapnel from Whincup's car was that bad. The problem is that this isn't a once a year sort of thing. This year there have been multiple instances of stupidity from the drivers and marshals.
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