LM24 Race Le Mans 2011 - Race Week Thread - Scrutineering/Qualifying/Race - Page 77

Victor_RO · 14 Jun 2011, 18:19 (Ref:2898975)

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Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

The ACO should have seen this coming, and had their chance to scratch them after Spa. People were moaning and complaining about the Norma being a field filler, but that actually managed to complete more than 200 laps, and as an LMP2 car was only less than a second slower than one of the AMR Ones in qualifying.

I think they should have seen this after Ricard and the Le Mans test day, AMR's withdrawal from Spa would have simply been the nail in the coffin for those entries if the ACO had acted based on data from those events.

henk4 · 14 Jun 2011, 18:27 (Ref:2898978)

there were no more cars left on the reserve list AFAIK. So the ACO let AMR have its moments of despair.

Victor_RO · 14 Jun 2011, 18:31 (Ref:2898982)

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Originally Posted by henk4

there were no more cars left on the reserve list AFAIK. So the ACO let AMR have its moments of despair.

Two cars were left on the reserve list all the way up to scrutineering, both in GTE-Pro and both with at least two confirmed drivers. And at least one of them was available on short notice, the second Robertson Ford was in the OAK Racing workshops at the track since the test weekend.

NelisB · 14 Jun 2011, 18:32 (Ref:2898984)

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Originally Posted by henk4

there were no more cars left on the reserve list AFAIK. So the ACO let AMR have its moments of despair.

There were 2 left. Young driver aston martin and a second robertson Ford GT entry.

FordCosworthPanoz · 14 Jun 2011, 18:51 (Ref:2898993)

Also, I have to say what an excellent job by Lotus and Jetalliance. If they can get the engine sorted out (chassis looks incredible) that program seems to have a lot of potential.

henk4 · 14 Jun 2011, 18:52 (Ref:2898994)

I stand corrected, when was the shift made to put Murray in the GT-AM Ford? (At the test day his name was on the GTE car). I did not see the Young Driver Aston at Spa, so i had assumed it was no longer in contention.

Victor_RO · 14 Jun 2011, 18:54 (Ref:2898995)

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Originally Posted by henk4

I stand corrected, when was the shift made to put Murray in the GT-AM Ford? (At the test day his name was on the GTE car). I did not see the Young Driver Aston at Spa, so i had assumed it was no longer in contention.

Final entry list was published about a week before scrutineering, and the change was visible on that list. So pretty much a couple of weeks before the race (i.e. when it was becoming clear that the second car wasn't going to get in).

As for the Young Driver Aston, it was at the LM test day to cover all eventualities, and it raced at Ricard.

henk4 · 14 Jun 2011, 18:56 (Ref:2898998)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Final entry list was published about a week before scrutineering, and the change was visible on that list. So pretty much a couple of weeks before the race (i.e. when it was becoming clear that the second car wasn't going to get in).

thanks, I was concentrating on the Spa Classic that weekend so I may have missed it completely...

FordCosworthPanoz · 14 Jun 2011, 19:04 (Ref:2899006)

And if the Robertson Racing Pro car had made it in you probably would have seen Boris Said, Anthony Lazzaro and Colin Braun in the pro car, unless they switched Said and Murry between the Pro and Am car.

KA · 14 Jun 2011, 19:12 (Ref:2899018)

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Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Did OAK need 4 entries? Perhaps not. Did Felbermayr need 3 entries? Perhaps not. But Felbermayr were the defending champions and Jacques Nicholet did good deeds over the offseason.

Weren't 3 out of 4 Oak entries and 2 out of 3 Felbermayr entries in on guaranteed entries based on last year's results? If the teams won those on merit- and can actually field cars to fulfil them, it's hard to argue with...

Victor_RO · 14 Jun 2011, 19:14 (Ref:2899019)

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Originally Posted by KA

Weren't 3 out of 4 Oak entries and 2 out of 3 Felbermayr entries in on guaranteed entries based on last year's results? If the teams won those on merit- and can actually field cars to fulfil them, it's hard to argue with...

Two of the 4 OAK entries (the LMP2 cars), the other two came in as ILMC entries. Same for the third Felbermayr entry (actually entered as Proton Competition), full-season ILMC entry while the other two were guaranteed invites.

So at least half those entries were won on merit, and they were able to field the cars. OAK's LMP1 cars had a bit of a disaster in the end, but they pretty much kept them going at least until nightfall (despite steering and gearbox issues for the 15 car in particular).

FordCosworthPanoz · 14 Jun 2011, 19:39 (Ref:2899032)

Forgot about OAK, but my point about Felbermayr was exactly that. Also, everything Jacques Nicholet did for Henri Pescarolo plus fielding an all pro LMP1 car and one of the best LMP2 line ups in the field, in addition to their earned spots, they also deserved it.

Victor_RO · 14 Jun 2011, 19:43 (Ref:2899036)

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Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Forgot about OAK, but my point about Felbermayr was exactly that. Also, everything Jacques Nicholet did for Henri Pescarolo plus fielding an all pro LMP1 car and one of the best LMP2 line ups in the field, in addition to their earned spots, they also deserved it.

Couldn't agree more. As long as they support the sport by fielding entries and running them properly for the benefit of everyone involved, it's all well-deserved.

AGD · 14 Jun 2011, 23:48 (Ref:2899151)

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Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

People were moaning and complaining about the Norma being a field filler, but that actually managed to complete more than 200 laps, and as an LMP2 car was only less than a second slower than one of the AMR Ones in qualifying.

Speaking of which, I think a lot of credit should go to Norma. The M200P looks like a pretty decent car. A more experienced team and some pro drivers perhaps could get that thing fairly close to the front of the LMP2 field. Not too shabby considering it may be the only "true" cost capped LMP2. Plus, IMO, it is a great looking car.

dank · 15 Jun 2011, 07:17 (Ref:2899235)

So, just to clear up a few things, did Michael Wainwright and Horst Felbermayr suffer from pelvic fractures?

Le Vieux · 15 Jun 2011, 08:49 (Ref:2899290)

Did last Thursday's press conference reveal the date for next year's date? It always used to be something of a secret until the end of the year and the publication of the F1 calendar, but last year I seem to remember it was made known at the race week press conference.

Does anyone out there know?

dank · 15 Jun 2011, 08:54 (Ref:2899296)

http://www.lemansrace.com/news/le-ma...tion-open/116/

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The 80th running of the Le Mans 24 Hours will take place on the 9th & 10th June 2012.

Le Vieux · 15 Jun 2011, 12:01 (Ref:2899389)

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Originally Posted by dank

http://www.lemansrace.com/news/le-ma...tion-open/116/

Thanks!

**Aysedasi** · 15 Jun 2011, 14:52 (Ref:2899527)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

German Eurosport reports that Mario Theissen has confirmed that BMW will shift all its attention to DTM in 2012.

The sports car effort will be scaled back to customer support in GT3 so the M3 either wins Le Mans this weekend or BMW won't for a long time to come...

Well there's something to shout about.

Hopefully they'll come back with a sports car in due course.

FordCosworthPanoz · 15 Jun 2011, 15:00 (Ref:2899534)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Well there's something to shout about.

Hopefully they'll come back with a sports car in due course.

Nope, DTM is a really good marketing tool for companies wanting to explore markets in Germany, Germany, Germany, Austria, Germany, Bromley (Paffetts home town), Austria and Germany. Im sure they will have fun parading around circuits for an hour.

Andy77 · 15 Jun 2011, 15:35 (Ref:2899564)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Well there's something to shout about.

Hopefully they'll come back with a sports car in due course.

Customer support with the Z4 only though. BMW will return pretty quick from the desillusional adventure that DTM will turn out to be.

The Badger · 15 Jun 2011, 16:41 (Ref:2899608)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Well there's something to shout about.

Hopefully they'll come back with a sports car in due course.

Woulda loved to hear your comment if the touring car special had beaten the best of GT2 cars .....

**Aysedasi** · 15 Jun 2011, 16:47 (Ref:2899616)

My comment would have been completely unrepeatable....... But, fortunately for me, the Tesco and Sainsbury's ballast was clearly their undoing.......

**Aysedasi** · 15 Jun 2011, 16:47 (Ref:2899615)

My comment would have been completely unrepeatable....... But, fortunately for me, the Tesco and Sainsbury's ballast was clearly their undoing.......

djb · 15 Jun 2011, 17:04 (Ref:2899625)

you can say that again ayse....

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