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28 Mar 2006, 07:02 (Ref:1605757) | #1 | ||
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Not sure if this is the right place for this given the different Chevron threads but it appears that Riccardo Patrese's European F3 Championship winning B34 is alive and well.
I was recently contacted by someone who had bought chassis 06 which was later driven by Piercarlo Ghinzani. According to Riccardo this car was sold to Ghinzani after it won the Euro F3 title at Vallelunga, and was then used by Piercarlo to race Riccardo at the final round of the Italian F3 championship at Magione, which Riccardo won. Where the car has been since I'm not sure if anyone knows? |
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4 May 2006, 09:51 (Ref:1605758) | #2 | |||
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Don't have much on B34s as far as I can see so I'll drop this here. Kit Henry is advertising on ebay two B34s, chassis 9 and chassis 35. Described as follows:
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6 May 2006, 10:44 (Ref:1605759) | #3 | ||
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B34s a quick summary
76-02 1976: Tony Martin [SA] retained 1977; 1978 Evan Boddy [SA] 76-03 1976: Bill Brack for S.A series and then to Guy Tunmer [SA] 76-06 1976: Trivatello for Patrese [based on above info] 76-08 1976: Basil van Rooyen [SA] retained to at least 1978 when used by Desire Wilson 76-09 1976: Bill Scott Racing for Holmes [based on Henry sales information] However, Holmes burned out a car in an electrical fire at Laguna Seca in April, and it was replaced with a new car in May [which would probably have a higher build number than this, so I reckon 09 is the first Holmes car rebuilt] 76-12 1976: Fred Opert team car, drivers unknown, spare car in NZ 1977 76-19 1976: Fred opert team car for Juan Cochesa, Rosberg in NZ 1977 then to Norm Lankshear and then Bryan Hartley 76-20 1976: "Used in US Atlantic" but not known which driver, used by Del Schloemer in SEA from 1979 76-21 1976 Opert team car; first noted on Eddie Marcello's car at Philipines GP, then to Pocholo Ramirez 1977 76-24 1976: Works F3 car for Lees, appears June. If so then either F3 1977 with KWS team and then David Brotherston [AS describes Schlesser's 77 B34 as ex Lees] OR John Lewis [F3 1977] and then the basis of Richard Parsons's Atlantic car in Ireland. [Also called ex Lees] [I think that this car might have been the "development" B34 used by Crawford in 76 G8 as Lewis was a Chevron mechanic] This number also on B34 for sale a few years back in NE USA 76-25 Opert team car for Tambay and perhaps Smiley. Kozarowitzky in 1977 NZ series tehn to Narcisco de la Merced 76-27 KWS for Rudi Dotsch retained 1977 76 -37 Albert Poon 76-35 Paul Henry The unknown cars are legion! Chris |
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6 May 2006, 10:49 (Ref:1605760) | #4 | ||
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Unknown B34s
Atlantic Bobby Brown [delivered Feb 76] Bill Anspach [actually to FC spec, delivered Feb] Bill Brack [delivered March] Bill Scott for Crawley/Gerber [delivered March] Ken Duclos Kevin Cogan [delivered April] Lloyd Callaway Robert Nelkin Scott [Holmes replacement car] Gilles Leger Rick Bell Marcel Talbot Opert must have had at least one, and probably two more cars. F3 Fernando Spreafico [Trivatello] Rupert Keegan [July] KWS second car Chris |
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7 May 2006, 00:11 (Ref:1605761) | #5 | ||
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Chris,
B34-76-37 , two letters , one from Albert Poon and another from Chevron Cars [ Roger Andreasson ]. Chevron say built for Poon , probably last B34 done and del. circa July 1976 , colour yellow. Albert Poon advises same , used all over S.E.Asia and N.Z. Stuvyesant Series, nil accidents in Poon's hands , sold as he was taking delivery of new B42 [ which he says was no where near as good a car]. Came to Western Australia 1979 to Peter Nicol till end 1980 , thence 1980-1982 Peter Morris [ W.A. ] 1982-1994 Jim Runciman [ W.A. ] 1994-1998 to Richard Fearon [ Victoria] , to Noel Robson [ Victoria ]end 1998 , thence to Current owner Peter Mohr of [ now] Queensland. Kevin Bartlett told me this is the car he drove one year at Macau. Bryan. |
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12 May 2006, 10:13 (Ref:1606855) | #6 | |||
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'06' did appear for sale on eBay |
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12 May 2006, 15:36 (Ref:1607149) | #7 | ||
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I was told (but this is from the seller of 06) that there were 4 Trivellato cars, 01-06-17-31. Is there any way of checking this info? Are there any official Chevron records? And Patrese apparently crashed a car early in the season (01?).
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13 May 2006, 09:00 (Ref:1607744) | #8 | ||
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01, 06, 17 and 31 might well be correct. It's interesting that the nominated numbers fall into gaps into my notes. That would be very difficult to do by coincidence, and I don't suspect the seller of 06 of knowing the chassis histories of the FAtlantic cars to know where the gaps are. 01 was almost certainly the works F3 test car, if Patrese stuffed it early in the season that might explain why - with pressure to supply the American market, and there were 3 B34s written off at Laguna Seca in April 76 - Geoff Lees didn't get his works car until June. 17 would be about the right number for a replacement for an early season demolition of chassis 01, and 31 could just be a late season spare. But such a record might also suggest that 06 was initially meant to be Spreafico's car... I'm afraid that my access to Chevron records seemed to skirt round B34s. Perhaps someone would care to talk to Roger Andreasson? Chris |
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15 May 2006, 12:52 (Ref:1610517) | #9 | ||
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From memory the Brotherston F3 car was the ex-Keegan one.
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25 Jul 2006, 15:41 (Ref:1664280) | #10 | ||
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Kim M told me today that he was told by Derek Bennett that his car WAS the ex-Villeneuve car, crashed in ZA in early '77. That car was described as a B39 at the time, but following its return to Bolton, it was rebuilt, and they decided to call it a "B34D".
After Kim it went to Ken Brill as we know, who promptly duffed it up. The remains later turned up, he thinks, with Richard Evans in Derek Bell races. Apparently Brill also converted what he had into a 'new' car... |
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26 Jul 2006, 08:39 (Ref:1664762) | #11 | ||
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What went to ZA in early 77 was a B39. The problem is that two cars were taken [one for Martin and one for Villeneuve] These are chassis 1 and 2 in the build record which I've seen. Both survive with continuous histories and both had those plates in the early 1980s at least. Villeneuve did for at least one tub in the S.African races and had a few other adventures... His car did go back to the works, but a B39 with 1 on the plate went to John Sisk in the USA and then to NZ. I suspect that Kim got the old tub and various other bits. Given the dog that the B39 was in its early stages [Tony Martin threatened to cancel his payment and give the car back when it proved slower than his year old B34] it wouldn't surprise me if Bennett had put a B34 tub onto B39 suspension to see if that worked better. Chris |
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26 Jul 2006, 09:06 (Ref:1664779) | #12 | ||
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Chris, very probable, especially given the help Derek B was keen to extend to Kim at the time. Thats probably why they, Kim and Derek, decided to call it a 'B34D', which Kim confirmed yesterday was for "Development".
He also said in passing, that others gave him a deal of help in that period, John Cooper, Jim Evans, Geoff Richardson among others. |
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5 Sep 2006, 23:24 (Ref:1702826) | #13 | |
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76-19 1976: Fred opert team car for Juan Cochesa, Rosberg in NZ 1977 then to Norm Lankshear and then Bryan Hartley
76-20 1976: "Used in US Atlantic" but not known which driver, used by Del Schloemer in SEA from 1979 Number 20 was used at the beginning of the season by Gordon Smiley. He finished third in the first event of the year to Gilles and Brack. I've just received some old photos and will post soon. Car details, mechanics working and action photos. Car was baby blue (Opert's colors), Smiley promoted sponsorship from "The Bay" (Hudson's Bay Co. department targeting young adults in apparel. He ran out of money half way through the season after some promising results. |
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8 Sep 2006, 17:57 (Ref:1705394) | #14 | ||
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Was this the car used later in 76 by Lloyd Callaway? Chris |
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9 Sep 2006, 11:35 (Ref:1705824) | #15 | |
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I don't know that answer...I will try to make some inquiries.
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Don't think any B34s went to Ireland other than the ex Lees one used by Richard Parsons, certainly none show up in Atlantic. Wasn't Brotherston's car ex KWS or am I confused? Chris |
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17 May 2007, 12:24 (Ref:1915314) | #19 | ||
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Chris, Brotherston car may well have been ex-KWS, can't recall too much about him or the car now. Except that when I saw it in F3 1979, it was coloured v similar to the BAF Keegan car of 76.
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6 Jul 2007, 12:38 (Ref:1956110) | #20 | ||
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Crawford used a B34 Atlantic in late 1976 G8 races here, I suppose a works backed/owned car of some sort, or maybe Opert. Anyone see it? And where did it go after, I don't think it stayed here. Far East perhaps, or US??
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Crawford's car may have been the one taken by his team manager, Bob Fernley to India and that area in the after 1976. I've been totally unsuccessful in obtaining race/chassis information for whatever that championship was then called, but Crawford was the series champion after about 6 races.
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David Brotherston has just been in touch and can add to a couple of cars' histories:
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1 Nov 2007, 11:35 (Ref:2056778) | #23 | ||
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Good stuff Allen. What did Dave B race his B34 in Ireland in in 1980, Atlantic I presume?
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I think that the answer to Parson's Irish Atlantic B34 being 'ex Lees' is that it is the ex John Lewis car, itself described as ex Lees when it appeared in F3. However, as Lewis was a mechanic at Chevron and often appeared late season with current models that he'd built up from spares, I suggest that the 'ex Lees' bit of this might well be various bits that had been discarded from the works F3, and doubt that the car would carry a plate, or if it did, like many late season Chevrons, ever appear in the build records...
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More from David (who can't join as he has a hotmail email address)
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