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Not building own car - moronic mistake averted. But which team? Sticking with Williams seems to be the obvious choice, so what exactly are they 'negotiating'? Money? That does'nt make sence. A performance clause or (lack of) exclusivity is more likely. Any ideas? |
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What they need is a chassis designer who can complement their engine. Where's Gustav Brunner these days?
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maybe the debate is about supply of engines to other teams - to put the pressure on Williams to produce a car that handles....if Mercedes and maybe BMW open up the engine supplies then maybe well get back to the halcyon days of 24 - 26 teams?
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7 May 2003, 08:48 (Ref:592065) | #4 | ||
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BMW won't be going anywhere as there is no other team on the grid with resources available for BMW to win consistently.
Williams have just designed a poor car. Once they finally do a good one, BMW won't be complaining! |
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Not building their onw chassis is indeed a mistake averted. BMW/Williams had a reputedly fine car last year, and when compared to the oppositon, it looked even better in 2001? Some of their misfortunes would be the old story of "bad luck mate". Looking quick at Paul Ricard, but Sir Willaims had bad luck there in 86. BMW/Minardi would be great! but what about Honda? Or Renault and Judd even? Only Sir Frank know's his agenda (do you reckon he enjoys racing?) but personally i'd like to see a Honda planted in a improved chassis again. BMW are great, always will be. Another plus is Montoya. As long as he stays with Williams. Be a bugger for the team to lose him to...Ferrari? Montoya is a future champ for sure. Back to the topic, 2005 is only 2 years away, but there's gonna be a whole lotta changing going on. (did i type that?) |
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BMW have repeatedly said that would have a very difficult time supplying other customer teams, and certainly they couldn't do it for the $10mil Bernie price benchmark... so if they keep only one team, and don't do the chassis themselves, Williams is the only top team for them to work with. I would expect that the negotiations are ongoing about how much control BMW is going to have over the Williams team and chassis design...
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BMW / Sauber ? that would be a good pairing any thing is better that williams
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Oh... or maybe a BMW Jordan ?
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Alternatively, if manufacturers were forced to supply customer engines, would they take as much care in ensuring they run reliably?? Heck, it's not a Works team engine anyways? Would they suppply engines that break down constantly? Or would manufacturer pride keep them from supplying poor reliability engines? |
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It is clearly unlikely that a Sauber BMW would be better than a Williams BMW and I don't have a problem with Williams-BMW being partners (and I am no fan of BMW). Last edited by Adam43; 7 May 2003 at 18:01. |
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As some have allready said-they're negotiating how much control they can get at williams for a variety of reasons.
Most importantly they NEED a better car!!! But they would also like to have the kudos of being known for being responsable for that better car-i.e the name 'BMW williams'(in that order) comes to mind.... |
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I should think that 'BMW Williams' would go over fine. Frank and Patrick must know that the BMW engine is the class of the field, as surely as they must admit that their chassis is not on par with Ferrari, Renault, and McLaren. They had best keep BMW happy, or they'll end up with an inferior chassis AND engine in the future and end up in the lower half of the grid...
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Hows about BMW taking over Sauber to call it BMW รก la Benetton/Renault?? In that sense, are they "building their own car" or not??
It's a rumour... |
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Even if you don't call it 'building their own car', there is a pretty steep learning curve ahead for Sauber (or BMW...I'm so confused...) should that happen. They certainly don't have one of the better chassis right now, especially if the rumours that the entire rear end of that car is supplied by Ferrari are true... BMW would still be faced with a couple of years of results that are no better than what they're getting now...
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Perhaps this could be the problem with the Williams chassis.
Look what it's made out of! http://www.lego.com/eng/racers/willi.../teamracer.asp |
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Hmm, better aero... more reliable, cheaper.
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Clearly this is great engine, comaprable to the Ferrari and probably ahead of everything else including Mercedes, and is being wasted in the Williams, and has been for the last 3 years. It will be galling for the BMW top brass to see Mercedes at the front, especially as it's mroe down to McLaren and Kimi Raikkonen.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are several teams queuing to have works BMW engines. It'll be out of Minardi's price range, and probably Jordan's, and Sauber's chassis could be the worst out there, and is unlikely to be good advertising for them even if it would be an All-Germanic team. |
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I'm not sure if it's a question of "buying" the BMW. It'll be free like it is to Willaims.
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So as Sir Frank and BMW "negotiate," Renault just goes out and performs.
Except for the odd eruption from Flav, you hear little from Renault as they move to the front of the grid. Meanwhile we hear lots from Williams as they soldier on bravely in a car that needs "developed." I wonder... |
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It's funny - if anything it's the Renault engine dept. that is the weak point of their team. The Benetton boys can build a chassis. At Williams it's the other way around - the engine's a beast yet the chassis this year especially looks like it's a constant battle. Conclusions??
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So where do BMW go if not Williams, the other options in signing an agreement with another team or buying a team aren't good. They should stay with Williams
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