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Old 17 Feb 2020, 10:33 (Ref:3957977)   #26
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Kelly Racing must be having a little smile to themselves over their off season decision................
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Old 17 Feb 2020, 10:36 (Ref:3957979)   #27
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Can't wait for the excuses then about Roland getting car advantages for his team
Or how head office doesn't want the fords to win...
Glad I wasn't the only one thinking this.

Sad day for the sport.
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Old 17 Feb 2020, 10:49 (Ref:3957980)   #28
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, he could end up sell a LOT of cars.
Unlikely. Unless they can magically get the Camaro in the 60K ballpark, I can't see a big sales increase for an 80K car. Not to mention the Camaro is most likely dead come 2021.

Like the Silverado, the Corvette would be 120K plus, so it's not going to fly out the showroom.

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Old 17 Feb 2020, 11:32 (Ref:3957983)   #29
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Sad day for us car, Holden and motorsport enthusiasts no matter which side of the fence you're on
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Old 17 Feb 2020, 22:32 (Ref:3958088)   #30
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Great, can I buy Lang Lang?
Langer's Lang-Lang

On a more serious note, could Lang Lang become the replacement for Sandown? Where are the Shahins and Tony Quinn?
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Old 18 Feb 2020, 02:47 (Ref:3958142)   #31
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On a more serious note, could Lang Lang become the replacement for Sandown? Where are the Shahins and Tony Quinn?
Replacement for the Thunderdome!
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Old 18 Feb 2020, 08:19 (Ref:3958170)   #32
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There's already rumblings of a local buyout of the Holden nameplate and logo.
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Old 18 Feb 2020, 09:45 (Ref:3958176)   #33
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There's already rumblings of a local buyout of the Holden nameplate and logo.
Mahindra Commodore.
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Old 18 Feb 2020, 10:05 (Ref:3958181)   #34
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There's already rumblings of a local buyout of the Holden nameplate and logo.
Great Wall Holden

Who do you think bought all the Thai factories?
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Old 18 Feb 2020, 12:07 (Ref:3958197)   #35
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Awfully sad news, I hope a wealthy Australian firm picks up the brand and saves it from oblivion.

Supercars have their work cut out for them, who knows what the future holds and what impact this may have on tv contract negotiation, currently underway.

The product needs to remain market relevant if you want sponsors to pay your bills.
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Old 18 Feb 2020, 13:26 (Ref:3958222)   #36
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Awfully sad news, I hope a wealthy Australian firm picks up the brand and saves it from oblivion.
Doesn't matter how wealthy they might be, what are they saving? They are a car company cut off from its relatives of more than 50 years, whether they were inspirations, sharing technology or outright suppliers. Without Opel/Vauxhall/Chevrolet, Holden now is nothing.

The only saviour Holden might have is Great Wall, do you really want them with the Holden badge on them?
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Old 18 Feb 2020, 14:29 (Ref:3958238)   #37
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what are they saving?
Engine plant and assembly plant. Complete with foundry, presses, paintbooths, assembly lines, etc, everything you need to manufacture a combustion engine (should you choose to include one) and motor vehicle.

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Sure, why not? It's no worse than:

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Old 18 Feb 2020, 18:59 (Ref:3958308)   #39
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Weren’t they offered Holden as part of the Vauxhall/Opel deal but turned it down?
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Engine plant and assembly plant. Complete with foundry, presses, paintbooths, assembly lines, etc, everything you need to manufacture a combustion engine (should you choose to include one) and motor vehicle.
Cross off the engine plant. Fishermens Bend is 80% demolished.





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Old 18 Feb 2020, 22:51 (Ref:3958343)   #41
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I had considered this possibility too.
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Old 19 Feb 2020, 04:42 (Ref:3958389)   #42
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No one in their right mind would finance that idea.
Opel have failed 2 generate sales twice in Aus.
Once in their own name as a premium Euro product and then as the mainstream Commodore offering.
The parrot is dead.
Since local manufacturing stopped there is nothing of substance to save.
I feel sorry for the dealers and the staff but their pain will be gain for other importers and dealers.
Selling cars has always been a tough game.
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Old 19 Feb 2020, 05:14 (Ref:3958393)   #43
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Selling cars has always been a tough game.
Is it really that difficult?

Toyota make it look easy. Being a Toyota dealer is like a licence to print money!

It's a shame General Motors were not able to follow Toyota's example...
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It's a shame General Motors were not able to follow Toyota's example...
Considering how both have been trading off their reputation despite new products not being worthy of it, probably surprising Toyota has survived.
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It's a shame General Motors were not able to follow Toyota's example...
Make stupid SUVs and lame cars that are the choice of uber drivers everywhere?

Not one interesting car in their stable.

Except for the Supra. Made by BMW.

PT Barnum said it best: Nobody ever went broke catering to the great unwashed.
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Old 19 Feb 2020, 09:16 (Ref:3958427)   #46
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Not one interesting car in their stable.

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Clearly GM did follow Toyota then.....


No one has ever bought a Toyota because their 'interesting'. More like practical.

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Old 19 Feb 2020, 10:33 (Ref:3958451)   #47
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Is it really that difficult?

Toyota make it look easy. Being a Toyota dealer is like a licence to print money!

It's a shame General Motors were not able to follow Toyota's example...
Licence to print money?

If it WERE that easy, everyone would be doing it. Used to be that a REALLY, REALLY well-run dealership in a capital city could make around 4% bottom line. These days that is more like 2%-2.5% - in a volume dealership that still equates to a lot of dollars due to the sheer volume of business but it's a small return in proportion to the amount spent and it doesn't take much for it to go South.

In comparing Holden to Toyota, you also need to bear in mind that other than the Aurion, which was half done here, Toyota was not designing, engineering and developing cars here in Australia - instead building Camrys here, which were designed and engineered elsewhere. With the VE Commodore alone reported as a billion dollar design / engineering exercise, clearly that makes a significant difference.
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Old 20 Feb 2020, 04:30 (Ref:3958648)   #49
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And not all importers and dealers get to sell Toyotas, Mazdas and Hyundais.
Those who think selling cars is easy should get themselves a line of credit and set up an Alfa Romeo,Peugeot or Citroen dealership.
I dont think Infiniti & Holden will be the only marques to leave Australia in this decade.
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Old 21 Feb 2020, 22:17 (Ref:3959131)   #50
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I've noted that GM have previously departed the UK and South Africa - could there be many RHD markets left where they still had a presence?
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