Motorsport Quiz - Page 8

BTCC frog · 19 Dec 2022, 19:43 (Ref:4137599)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Ok what connects the following
Jack Brabham
Jo Bonnier
Graham Hill
Bruce McLaren
Mario Andretti
Bruno Giacomelli
Riccardo Patrese
Nelson Piquet
Johnny Herbert
Jean Alesi
Michael Schumacher
Rubens Barrichello
Jarno Trulli
Pedro de la Rosa
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Raikkonen
Robert Kubica
Lewis Hamilton
Sebastian Vettel
Romain Grosjean

They all raced in three decades?

peebee2 · 19 Dec 2022, 19:58 (Ref:4137600)

This is a very educational thread!

There’s a few on here that I’ve crossed swords with on a few issues, but I have to say there’s a lot of very good knowledge on here.

S griffin · 19 Dec 2022, 22:58 (Ref:4137607)

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Originally Posted by BTCC frog

They all raced in three decades?

Close enough. Technically Giacomelli didn’t race in three decades, as in one of those decades he didn’t get further than pre qualifying in the infamous Life! But yes, they all competed in three different decades

BTCC frog · 19 Dec 2022, 23:05 (Ref:4137609)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Close enough. Technically Giacomelli didn’t race in three decades, as in one of those decades he didn’t get further than pre qualifying in the infamous Life! But yes, they all competed in three different decades

Thanks. I will defer my question to E.B who got the last one right.

E.B · 20 Dec 2022, 01:06 (Ref:4137614)

OK Simple question in words.....
Which driver missed an F1 start because he was already at, or on the way, home?
Im not looking for Niki Lauda. That would be too easy.
Looking for the driver, race, year and circumstances

Bonus points if you can tell me the unique and likely never to be beaten (F1)record this person also holds. Again race, year etc.

S griffin · 20 Dec 2022, 08:25 (Ref:4137623)

I know Otto Stuppacher failed to qualify for the 1976 Italian, but was moved up the grid after the farcical penalties to the two McLarens and Watson's Penske, but was already on the way home when he found out...

crmalcolm · 20 Dec 2022, 08:43 (Ref:4137624)

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Originally Posted by E.B

Bonus points if you can tell me the unique and likely never to be beaten (F1)record this person also holds. Again race, year etc.

And I think the record is at the 1976 United States Grand Prix East (Watkins Glen) where his qualifying time was over 27 seconds off the time of Hunt's pole position, a record gap in an official Formula 1 race which still stands today.

E.B · 20 Dec 2022, 08:45 (Ref:4137625)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

I know Otto Stuppacher failed to qualify for the 1976 Italian, but was moved up the grid after the farcical penalties to the two McLarens and Watson's Penske, but was already on the way home when he found out...

Well. that is who I was thinking of. Well done. I thought it might have been trickier than that. I had clues lined up, with Lauda associations he has had..... from being also Austrian (as Lauda) and indeed when both were in their very early days (late sixties) shared a Porsche 910 at the Zeltweg 1000 with Lauda. Stuppacher progressed to a 3-litre Porsche 908/02 Spyder he purchased from Lauda.

Anyway no clues needed..... but there was part 2

Do you know of the F1 record he (Stuppacher) holds. Knowing the name that is easy to answer, I would imagine.

Edit: I notice "crm" was all over part 2, with indeed the correct answer.

rbs · 20 Dec 2022, 08:47 (Ref:4137626)

CR, do not think that is correct as Pescarolo's Surtees was over 50 seconds slower than Hunts pole time for the 76 German GP.

Gerard C · 20 Dec 2022, 08:57 (Ref:4137628)

Heavy rain, Monza, he thought the race would be cancelled after qualy?
Edit: sorry was too slow, had Guy Edwards in mind, Stuppcher was obvious. good question EB.

E.B · 20 Dec 2022, 09:01 (Ref:4137629)

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Originally Posted by rbs

CR, do not think that is correct as Pescarolo's Surtees was over 50 seconds slower than Hunts pole time for the 76 German GP.

I think you might have that on looking Bob. Funnily enough I see Pesca ran Stuppacher close at the USGP also.... HP actually qualified for the race, with a time just a few seconds faster than Otto..... and only 21.589 secs slower than Hunt.

In fact on looking up the qualifying times at the German race I see qualifying positions 25-26 were all more than 32.1 and 42.0 seconds off Hunt, and both qualified! (Edwards and Pesenti-Rossi)

Perhaps 42 seconds is in fact the largest spread of those who actually qualified and started a race

rbs · 20 Dec 2022, 09:15 (Ref:4137631)

Chris, have a look at the grid for Pescara GP. Brabham was 1min 50 behind Fangio, will have to look at some early GP's at Nurburgring times now.

E.B · 20 Dec 2022, 09:51 (Ref:4137633)

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Originally Posted by rbs

Chris, have a look at the grid for Pescara GP. Brabham was 1min 50 behind Fangio, will have to look at some early GP's at Nurburgring times now.

I can sort of cope with Pescara given the length of the lap (mind you its only 4 or 5 klms longer than Nordschleife). Lack of official practice prior to qualifying maybe. Excuses aside the fact is even if you factor in it being a lap length 4 or 5 times some tracks it is still a mighty gap.

None the less, remarkable.
Also that Fangio failed to win the race, although I believe he had a medical issue.

Quick highlights of Pescara in upscaled quality https://youtu.be/26ux3ohj9lQ

Just looked at the 50's German GPs.... As you suggested!
1956 pole is over 40kph faster average lap speed from 1st to last! 4min 45 secs lap difference!

Gerard C · 20 Dec 2022, 10:38 (Ref:4137640)

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Originally Posted by E.B

Just looked at the 50's German GPs.... As you suggested!
1956 pole is over 40kph faster average lap speed from 1st to last! 4min 45 secs lap difference!

Strange GP results, 6 finishers and 5 classified with Godia playing is own interpretation of the tortoise and the hare. Driving on the old Nürbur shows quickly that for an absolute beginner its easy to be far behind any ringmeister. If you like to stay alive I mean!

crmalcolm · 20 Dec 2022, 11:24 (Ref:4137654)

I think the record attributed to Stuppacher is percentage of pole time (>125%) as opposed to pure time gap.

crmalcolm · 20 Dec 2022, 13:41 (Ref:4137663)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I think the record attributed to Stuppacher is percentage of pole time (>125%) as opposed to pure time gap.

Looking back - I am unsure now if this is even accurate.

There have been occasions with larger gaps in terms of time and percentage compared to Otto Stuppacher's 1976 Watkins Glen performance - so I am unsure why many sources seem to indicate this as 'the record'

Richard C · 20 Dec 2022, 15:03 (Ref:4137680)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

There have been occasions with larger gaps in terms of time and percentage compared to Otto Stuppacher's 1976 Watkins Glen performance - so I am unsure why many sources seem to indicate this as 'the record'

Who (if anyone) governs motorsports "records". I guess the FIA handles things like "land speed records" and FAI for air and no doubt other organizations for other more "serious" things with "Guinness World Records" handling all the other shlock.

My guess is this stuff is tribal knowledge, gains relevance by it being repeated and could be wrong!

Richard

E.B · 21 Dec 2022, 02:03 (Ref:4137720)

Moving on to the next question.....

Griff got the main part of the last question correct first, but then rbs showed us the errors re the question part 2 that exist online with the erroneous "Tribal Knowledge" that Richard mentioned, and it sparked some interesting and educational corrective discussion on the gaps from first to last GP qualifiers.....so I would say whoever out of Griff and rbs posts a question first gets the gong. Hope that is seen as fair...

rbs · 21 Dec 2022, 08:12 (Ref:4137733)

OK, what is the highest number of revs recorded on an engine in a Grand Prix?

crmalcolm · 21 Dec 2022, 08:25 (Ref:4137735)

20,500 rpm?

Motorsport Magazine, April 2007 - "Yet even within such tightly defined parameters, the RS26 engine displayed a superb combination of performance, economy, driveability and heat rejection. In comparison to the competition it displayed much the same advantages as had the previous 72-deg V10 designed to a much freer set of regulations. There were four performance upgrades during the year and in ‘E’ specification it was believed to produce circa 775bhp at circa 20,500rpm. In original Bahrain form these figures were more like 725bhp at 19,200rpm."