[Rules] Future Rule Changes

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Rudernst

standing restarts

you are getting this all wrong:...........

..................this is all beeing done to improve "The Show".
in time the fans will understand and approve





Rudolf

Oh, you are a wag, Rudolf (and that is not short for wives and girlfriends)

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Rudernst

standing restarts

you are getting this all wrong:

the standing restart WILL HAVE TO BE DONE IN REVERSE GEAR !!
each driver to compete ONE FULL LAP IN REVERSE against the normal direction of the circuit
after crossing the finish line, drivers are allowed to select all forward gear again.
race distance remains unaltered, meaning that the reverse lap counts towards distance travelled

this is all beeing done to improve "The Show".
in time the fans will understand and approve





Rudolf

I'd like to see a double file restart included, just to spice to things up; just sayin'...

[Cookie85]

I really hope standing starts don't happen

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by Cookie85

I really hope standing starts don't happen

I don't think they will happen myself...

[JamesH]

Originally Posted by Cookie85

I really hope standing starts don't happen

Pretty sure we have at least one per race already...

[Scooter185]

According to twitter it sounds like they've been given the green light

[JeremySmith]

What a silly idea ...

[Mike Harte]

Having read the latest decisions of the World Council as reported by Pitpass http://www.pitpass.com/51913/World-M...ncil-decisions , I am firmly of the belief that the lunatics have now taken full control of the asylem. Although some of the measures deserve some merit, others are plain stupid.

However, would somebody like to explain why FIA has to legislate that the brake discs must rotate at the same speed as the wheel. This suggest that someone has already or may intend to detach the wheel from the disc, which poses the question about how that somebody intended to retard the wheels if they are not attached to each other?

But on a flippant aside about the above, it can only be the centres of the wheel and the disc and then up to the outer edge of the disc that will be able to maintain the same terminal velocity as the same point on the wheel.

[Alfaholic]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

...However, would somebody like to explain why FIA has to legislate that the brake discs must rotate at the same speed as the wheel...

That sounds like somebody found a clever way round the anti-lock brake ban (don't ask me how though)

What's the betting that the standing re-starts after safety car periods gets dropped for 2016 once it's seen how poorly it works in practice. Also has it been clarified as to whether they can change tyres on the grid as under a red flag, whether they can use tyre warmers while waiting for the re-start (the ban of these has been dropped!), or will they have extra formation laps prior to the standing start to get heat into the tyres?

[TrapezeArtist]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

However, would somebody like to explain why FIA has to legislate that the brake discs must rotate at the same speed as the wheel. This suggest that someone has already or may intend to detach the wheel from the disc, which poses the question about how that somebody intended to retard the wheels if they are not attached to each other?

It sounds to me as if someone has foreseen a benefit in braking on a disc that is running either faster or slower than normal. In that case it would be possible to contrive an epicyclic gearset in the hub to achieve the desired speed difference. How very Chapmanesque!

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Originally Posted by Alfaholic

What's the betting that the standing re-starts after safety car periods gets dropped for 2016 once it's seen how poorly it works in practice. Also has it been clarified as to whether they can change tyres on the grid as under a red flag, whether they can use tyre warmers while waiting for the re-start (the ban of these has been dropped!), or will they have extra formation laps prior to the standing start to get heat into the tyres?

Hopefully someone will take this nonsense back before the World council and get it thrown out.

Piecing together what I've read*

Safety Car comes out,
laps whilst incident dealt with
lapped cars to unlap
laps whilst they get to then back of queue
notify safety car in
safety car pulls in
Cars still under yellows roll into grid slots
5 light sequence (but given they are red not sure how that will work)
standing start on cold/ low pressured tyres

* probably will end up nothing like this.

It does give some interesting safety car/pit scenarios as far as strategy goes

a: Do as now and pit as soon as the safety car is called - get track position, but then run around slowly on new tyres for X number of laps possibly through initial debris before doing a standing start on them

b: wait until the lapped cars get their call and then pit - drops you to the back of the "lead lap" runners before the lapped cars come around behind you. But you have the advantage of only having to go around perhaps twice on the tyres (debris will have been cleared by then) before the standing start

c: (if it's allowed) follow the safety car into the pits, whilst the rest of the grid forms, you do the pitstop and trundle to the pitlane stop light, timing it so that the you reach the end as it goes green. OK you exit the pits at the back of the pack on the freshest straight from the warmers tyres and you haven't put your clutch through another standing start

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

It sounds to me as if someone has foreseen a benefit in braking on a disc that is running either faster or slower than normal. In that case it would be possible to contrive an epicyclic gearset in the hub to achieve the desired speed difference. How very Chapmanesque!

I was thinking the same.

Richard

[wnut]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

It sounds to me as if someone has foreseen a benefit in braking on a disc that is running either faster or slower than normal. In that case it would be possible to contrive an epicyclic gearset in the hub to achieve the desired speed difference. How very Chapmanesque!

If you freed up the disc so that you didn't have to accelerate the disc you would have more power for acceleration and better fuel economy.
All you would need is a one way clutch set up where the wheel cannot drive the brake disc but the disc will stop the wheel turning under braking.

What "rule" did they find to ban this under, or did they just make it up as they went along?

[grantp]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

It sounds to me as if someone has foreseen a benefit in braking on a disc that is running either faster or slower than normal. In that case it would be possible to contrive an epicyclic gearset in the hub to achieve the desired speed difference. How very Chapmanesque!

Might it be something to do with energy recovery systems?

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Alfaholic

What's the betting that the standing re-starts after safety car periods gets dropped for 2016 once it's seen how poorly it works in practice.

Once they have experienced the strategies the teams dream up for 2015, and with the overall experience for the watching public hardly improved in reality, would they not consider a reversed grid rolling start with the even numbered rows having the benefit of the DRS system (or whatever it is called) being allowed and full electric boost.

That should liven things up a bit and make the real time strategic planning a thought process of true beauty that would justify a TV stream of its own thus double the TV revenue potential overnight.

Of course it would probably have Bernie turning in his grave but then would the money men care?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by grantp

Once they have experienced the strategies the teams dream up for 2015, and with the overall experience for the watching public hardly improved in reality, would they not consider a reversed grid rolling start with the even numbered rows having the benefit of the DRS system (or whatever it is called) being allowed and full electric boost.

That should liven things up a bit and make the real time strategic planning a thought process of true beauty that would justify a TV stream of its own thus double the TV revenue potential overnight.

Of course it would probably have Bernie turning in his grave but then would the money men care?

Now this would be interesting, .

[321Go]

Any of the teams having brake issues? That might be a clue.

[Mike Harte]

One change that seems to have passed without comment is that from 2015, both sporting and technical regulations can be amended at any time up to 1st March each year for that season's racing without the requirement to have unanimous agreement.

What does not seem clear at this moment, to me at least, is whether that will affect the 2015 season or whether that becomes effective commencing with the 2016 season.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by 321Go

Any of the teams having brake issues? That might be a clue.

There are a number of drivers/teams that are having issues, but that would seem more to do with them being unable to adopt to the new braking systems, i.e. braking-by-wire. This is not uncommon whereby any manual/mechanical system is replaced by an electronic one, and no more so than in aviation.

There, it can take hours and hours to pilots to be re-trained to change from one system to another, and this is why Airbus originally introduced computer-driven overrides to stop pilots over/under compensating during certain manoeuvres.

What it does not suggest to me is that those drivers/teams having brake issues are try to separate the brake disc from the wheel.

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by wnut

If you freed up the disc so that you didn't have to accelerate the disc you would have more power for acceleration and better fuel economy.
All you would need is a one way clutch set up where the wheel cannot drive the brake disc but the disc will stop the wheel turning under braking.

What "rule" did they find to ban this under, or did they just make it up as they went along?

I like the thinking here but feel it would be somewhat problematical stopping a car that's spun and therefore travelling backwards!

[Pingguest]

From 2015 the cars will be deemed to be in parc fermé from the first time they leave the pit lane during FP3. With this change of regulation it is quite foreseeable drivers will not do any running during FP3.

[wdave0]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

I like the thinking here but feel it would be somewhat problematical stopping a car that's spun and therefore travelling backwards!

How about a viscous clutch rather than a ratchet?

[321Go]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

From 2015 the cars will be deemed to be in parc fermé from the first time they leave the pit lane during FP3.

No. Cars will be in parc fermé from the start of FP3. Doesn't matter if the car leaves pit lane or not during FP3. The start of FP3 is when the lights go green at session start.

"The current restrictions to the parc fermé will now apply from the start of P3 instead of the start of qualifying."

[wdave0]

So, lap down wave by, now they have push to pass, mandatory two tire compounds, all gimmicks used by Indy and TUSCC, doesn't work for them, why not copy them and add DRS and standing restarts. Won't be long before there's no more racing, just gimmick management.

[wdave0]

Originally Posted by wdave0

So, lap down wave by, now they have push to pass, mandatory two tire compounds, all gimmicks used by Indy and TUSCC, doesn't work for them, why not copy them and add DRS and standing restarts. Won't be long before there's no more racing, just gimmick management.

forgot to add they'll need competition yellows to get more restarts to get more crashes.