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Old 12 Oct 2014, 02:03 (Ref:3463595)   #126
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What a lap! Instantly excited about racing after attending petit!
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 02:04 (Ref:3463596)   #127
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Holy smoke! That was some of the best racing I have seen in quite a while!
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 02:10 (Ref:3463598)   #128
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3 different manufacturers going 3-wide into Dunlop.. Im awake, yeah
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 02:12 (Ref:3463599)   #129
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 02:20 (Ref:3463609)   #130
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The lotus is having a mega race with the lmp2 cars
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 02:21 (Ref:3463610)   #131
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 02:22 (Ref:3463612)   #132
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Starfish Primer should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridStarfish Primer should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridStarfish Primer should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
The Lotus thing battling the LMP2 is becoming funny.
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 02:23 (Ref:3463615)   #133
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This is a seriously good race.

So much better than what they try to pass off as 'racing' in TUSC.
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 02:26 (Ref:3463618)   #134
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Hey, I'm happy to see the Lotus having a go at it. It's rather newer than even the Rebellions, so they have some work to do. Still, it's great fun to watch, and then they hit the front straight, and the AER appears to hit the afterburners.
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 02:45 (Ref:3463633)   #135
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DSC reported rumors of Lotus being 75 Kg overweight.
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 02:51 (Ref:3463636)   #136
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Toyotas clocking 310k every lap. That's impressive performance.
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 03:00 (Ref:3463642)   #137
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The Lotus thing battling the LMP2 is becoming funny.
Perhaps this is the wrong avenue, but if P2 cars could shed 75 kg how fast would they be? Think about budget of LMP1L vs P2, what am I missing about complexity vs speed?
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 03:14 (Ref:3463648)   #138
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P2's dont run to a fuel formula. But theyd be A LOT faster than now.
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 03:23 (Ref:3463654)   #139
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Perhaps this is the wrong avenue, but if P2 cars could shed 75 kg how fast would they be? Think about budget of LMP1L vs P2, what am I missing about complexity vs speed?
The Rebellion is 800Kg, then Lotus is 875 Kg. The Lmp2 is 900 Kg.
Guauuu, Are the LMP2 engine more power than the AER LMP1?
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 03:24 (Ref:3463656)   #140
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Tough race for Audi. Toyota dominating.
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Toyota's pace is rapid. 28's for Davidson.
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 03:30 (Ref:3463660)   #142
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The power of the Porsche is incredible. Webber appears to be having brake problems though.
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 03:36 (Ref:3463663)   #143
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Audi blows right by the P2 Oak-Morgan ... 100 kg would make a big difference in acceleration and a little in cornering but nothing makes up for twice the horsepower.

I'd like to see 800-kg P2 class ... not sure the P1 factories would.
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Old 12 Oct 2014, 03:37 (Ref:3463665)   #144
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The P2s are well off of even the LMP1-L cars in terms of power. It's easy to see from those shots of the Lotus taking off from the P2 leaders. The difference would be even greater if the Lotus was closer to the actual minimum weight. Also, the P1s have greater drag, because of their greater downforce, and would therefore be even faster on the straights with P2 levels of drag.

The trouble is, the greater measure of lap time is made with the downforce, rather than the outright power. Audi has made this plainly apparent, given their lack of top-end.

I doubt you could get the current P2s down to 800kg. How much more than the current cars would it cost to make a P2 that was 100kg lighter? Also, how much more would it cost to make that car as reliable as the current crop?
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Real shame how this race is broken up by so many cautions ... oh, wait, that is American racing. This is the series where drivers can handle traffic.
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Maelochs, that comment just seemed unnecessary.

As to my previous post, isn't the Lotus the perfect illustration of the challenges of trying to make a P1 out of a P2? I mean, from what I understand, they ended up using the T128 LMP2 as the basis for the CLM P1/01 LMP1.
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Webber is really driving hard to day ... he seemed slow his first few races but he is tearing it up today. Seems like he is having fun.

Oh, and Purist ... I just came from Petit last weekend ... 10 cautions in five hours, 13 in the race overall.

Have there been ten cautions all season in WEC outside of Le Mans?

But okay ... I will leave TUSC out of it.
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37 laps for Toyota. The most theyve done so far. No tire advantage for Audi sucks their chances out.
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Only when/if Audi can double stint tires can they make any headway. They're a ton slower than about anything else in LMP1 down the front straight.

Won't help them much at Bahrain or Shanghai with those long main straights unless one, they run better at those tracks, and/or two, they can double stint at those places.

Also doesn't help that the #2 is off sequence with its pit stops, too.
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Webber may have the race's fastest lap, but he's really slowing up now, losing quite a bit to both Toyotas, both Audis, and his teammate.
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