Auction Action

thebear · 25 Nov 2013, 00:46 (Ref:3336295)

Gentlemen, raise your paddles!

Bonham's, "The December Sale"
London, New Bond Street
1 Dec 2013 14:00 GMT

The Ex-Jackie Stewart, Jack Brabham, Roy Salvadori, Tommy Dickson, Bruce Halford, Jimmy Blumer

1960 Cooper Monaco-Climax 'Mark II' Type 57 Rear-Engined Sports-Racing Prototype

Details & pix HERE

john ruston · 25 Nov 2013, 03:30 (Ref:3336330)

Lots more to this sale than just another Monaco !

The EE collection and probably one of the best 904 Porsches.

The C type is very ,very good.

I would like the transporter.

apriliadriver · 25 Nov 2013, 08:45 (Ref:3336388)

Not just EE, but a very nice Alfa Giulietta Sprint Zagato racer in chick-puller yellow - ooops ! it's my old car, and a lovely thing to do the Pre-63 GT series in. The current owner has only run the car for a couple of years.
Nick

**John Turner** · 25 Nov 2013, 08:57 (Ref:3336393)

Nick, although a 1961 car, I think the Sprint Zagato 1300cc was produced before 1960, so also FISCAR eligible?

Some of those cars look as though maybe from Lord Irvine Laidlaw. JR will probably be able to confirm.

Mike Bell · 25 Nov 2013, 09:47 (Ref:3336406)

The Alfa is gorgeous in yellow. My pick of the auction.

Not sure about the 904, one of the previous owners sounds a bit dodgy!

Brian A · 25 Nov 2013, 09:54 (Ref:3336410)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Not sure about the 904, one of the previous owners sounds a bit dodgy!

Can't imagine which one that might be.

Agree about the Alfa - would be lovely to have that out next year in the Fiscar races

apriliadriver · 25 Nov 2013, 09:56 (Ref:3336411)

John,
The AMOC predecessor to FiSCar used to allow the Brit SZs to race, though sadly the earliest known manufacture is January 1960, despite a ongoing canard endlessly repeated in books/magazines that it was available in December 1959.

Definitely in the spirit of FiSCar, drum brakes all round etc and good to beat all but one or two DB2/4s and the occasional Ace.
Nick

john ruston · 25 Nov 2013, 11:26 (Ref:3336450)

None of Irvine Laidlaw cars.

He sold his race cars via RM in September and they all went.He has retired from racing but still does rally's and stuff .His present stable is superb.

I thought that 904 previous owners were the cream of the over 40 inch waistband historic racing crop!I sold it as couldn't easily get in it!

I don't get the 904 thing as they are awkward to maintain ,not very quick compared to B 8 and Elva160 GT both of which are less than half the value.

Suppose it's that Porsche badge and very pretty.

The auction will be interesting as if it is successful could see another surge in selling prices.

Only the good cars with proper histories seem to be selling at top end and there are some of those in the sale.

The EE stuff has some decent cars included.

terence · 25 Nov 2013, 13:26 (Ref:3336494)

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Turner

Nick, although a 1961 car, I think the Sprint Zagato 1300cc was produced before 1960, so also FISCAR eligible?

Some of those cars look as though maybe from Lord Irvine Laidlaw. JR will probably be able to confirm.

Certainly the Cooper is from Dick Skipworth,its the Car Whizzo used in the F1 Support race a few years back.

bauble · 25 Nov 2013, 14:40 (Ref:3336520)

Quote:

Originally Posted by terence bower

Certainly the Cooper is from Dick Skipworth,its the Car Whizzo used in the F1 Support race a few years back.

The Tojeiro as driven for many years by Whizzo in historic events, particularly the Revival;

This from 2012. It was also racing in the Sussex Trophy this year, however, I can not be bothered to dig out the programme to name the driver.

Rudernst · 25 Nov 2013, 14:52 (Ref:3336526)

Quote:

Originally Posted by john ruston

None of Irvine Laidlaw cars.

He sold his race cars via RM in September and they all went.He has retired from racing but still does rally's and stuff .His present stable is superb.

I thought that 904 previous owners were the cream of the over 40 inch waistband historic racing crop!I sold it as couldn't easily get in it!

I don't get the 904 thing as they are awkward to maintain ,not very quick compared to B 8 and Elva160 GT both of which are less than half the value.

Suppose it's that Porsche badge and very pretty.

The auction will be interesting as if it is successful could see another surge in selling prices.

Only the good cars with proper histories seem to be selling at top end and there are some of those in the sale.

The EE stuff has some decent cars included.

John, that will my quote of the week:
"over 40 inch waistband historic racing crop"

can stop giggling
As I am currently 36 in, this will give me added strengh and discipline to maintain it

as to Porky 904s
yes, I dont the pricing either
they are a very expensive way to be lapped by a Chevron, especially the 4 cyl ones...
But what I have learnt: Many punters go for the stuff that they know, obscure cars take a lot of time to generate recognition
just look at the silly prices that are beeing paid for they Merc 300 SL
reason seems to be many rich men have heard about them even if they dont much about historic cars and they want them regardless whether they will enjoy them or not

Rudolf

john ruston · 26 Nov 2013, 00:51 (Ref:3336791)

The main stuff in the sale is the Skipworth EE collection.

Mixture of good,decent and not so good cars with that transporter.

Everything from Sprite to D Type.Worrying that Williams has driven the cars!

**John Turner** · 26 Nov 2013, 08:30 (Ref:3336860)

Quote:

Originally Posted by apriliadriver

John,
The AMOC predecessor to FiSCar used to allow the Brit SZs to race, though sadly the earliest known manufacture is January 1960, despite a ongoing canard endlessly repeated in books/magazines that it was available in December 1959.

Definitely in the spirit of FiSCar, drum brakes all round etc and good to beat all but one or two DB2/4s and the occasional Ace.
Nick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian A

Agree about the Alfa - would be lovely to have that out next year in the Fiscar races

Nick, in fact James Wiseman has always been able to run with us in his red version. 1300cc with drum brakes is, as you say, very 1950's and a bit out of synch in a 1960s race. As Brian says, it would be lovely to have it run with us and I can safely say we wouldn't turn it away!

Quote:

Originally Posted by john ruston

None of Irvine Laidlaw cars.

He sold his race cars via RM in September and they all went.He has retired from racing but still does rally's and stuff .His present stable is superb.

I thought that 904 previous owners were the cream of the over 40 inch waistband historic racing crop!I sold it as couldn't easily get in it!

I don't get the 904 thing as they are awkward to maintain ,not very quick compared to B 8 and Elva160 GT both of which are less than half the value.

Suppose it's that Porsche badge and very pretty.

The auction will be interesting as if it is successful could see another surge in selling prices.

Only the good cars with proper histories seem to be selling at top end and there are some of those in the sale.

The EE stuff has some decent cars included.

Thanks for clarification, John. I knew that the Laidlaw cars were going; just hadn't realised they had already been auctioned off (pay attention, Turner!).

You don't see many 904s racing no doubt for all the reasons you have stated but I always think of the 904 as a tad earlier than the B8. In any event, as an old fashioned style spectator, it's watching you guys take part, not who/what is the quickest, which in historic racing, is an irrelevance, in some ways. I love the B8 but if I had the wherewithal, I would prefer to take the pretty Porsche with the great sound, on track, even if I was lapped by the B8s. The Elva 160 is a great little car but with only 3 built, and only one (as far as I know) racing (with Gareth and Michael), it's not an option that most can take up as an alternative option to the other two.

The Transporter is great, too!

terence · 26 Nov 2013, 09:34 (Ref:3336871)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bauble

The Tojeiro as driven for many years by Whizzo in historic events, particularly the Revival;

This from 2012. It was also racing in the Sussex Trophy this year, however, I can not be bothered to dig out the programme to name the driver.

No need,the skid lid gives the name away.

gary396 · 26 Nov 2013, 09:44 (Ref:3336875)

Quote:

Originally Posted by terence bower

No need,the skid lid gives the name away.

That was 2012 though wasn't it? Think it was driven by Graeme Dodd in 2013.

simon drabble · 26 Nov 2013, 11:15 (Ref:3336901)

I must be getting old as I think the Bentley 4 1/2 sport saloon looks the nuts... also is it just me or are DB4GT's an awful lot of money.... I appreciate the one here had Noel C-R as first owner so it has a lovely history but same price as the 904?
Conversely that SS100 looks cheap in the world of fantasy garages!!

terence · 26 Nov 2013, 12:36 (Ref:3336927)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gary396

That was 2012 though wasn't it? Think it was driven by Graeme Dodd in 2013.

Perhaps the sentence at the bottom of the picture gives it away?

Lot 4 would do Copse flat in forth,one hope hope so,it was only doing 85! LOL.

midgetman · 26 Nov 2013, 13:24 (Ref:3336942)

So-o-o-o-o-o......Lot 4. Despite all that blurb, it could well be that not a single solitary part of it is original except *possibly* a rivet-on chassis plate and a screw-on body ident?

Interestingly the sales information is proud that a fraud has been committed: "So now we have a car that absolutely looks the part, has the right numbers, but is a re-creation of that 1961 Le Mans Sprite entered and raced by Ecurie Ecosse"

Given that the monocoque was scrapped, so according to the DVLA the number should have been surrendered. I trust that the rozzers are as we speak winging their way to Mr Dick Skipworth given he has produced a "ringer".

zefarelly · 26 Nov 2013, 13:44 (Ref:3336952)

brilliant stuff . . . Who needs Monty Python tickets!

'highly desirable Swiftune 1275cc or thereabouts Austin-Healey Sprite engine'

simon drabble · 26 Nov 2013, 13:49 (Ref:3336954)

shades of Colerdiges's Kubla Khan - For he on honey-dew hath fed,
And drunk the milk of Paradise

gary396 · 26 Nov 2013, 16:50 (Ref:3337044)

Quote:

Originally Posted by terence bower

Perhaps the sentence at the bottom of the picture gives it away?

I was trying to avoid being that blunt!

morninggents · 26 Nov 2013, 19:31 (Ref:3337088)

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon drabble

shades of Colerdiges's Kubla Khan - For he on honey-dew hath fed,
And drunk the milk of Paradise

I think we should give Iain a year off to recuperate from his ceaseless European travel and rename the lighter side next year as 'SD waxes lyrical'.

**Peter Mallett** · 27 Nov 2013, 04:36 (Ref:3337243)

Ah the advantage of a classical education. Best I could muster would be a verse of Barnical Bill the Sailor.

Mike Bell · 27 Nov 2013, 06:34 (Ref:3337249)

Quote:

Originally Posted by john ruston

Worrying that W****s has driven the cars!

When I come to sell something it will be "As not raced by W****s". That will be so unusual, reckon it will guarantee a premium!

bauble · 27 Nov 2013, 08:22 (Ref:3337270)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Ah the advantage of a classical education. Best I could muster would be a verse of Barnical Bill the Sailor.

That's OK as long as it is not 'Eskimo Nell'

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