Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Single Seater Racing > Formula One

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 2 Jun 2022, 08:38 (Ref:4112512)   #1
Tourer
Veteran
 
Tourer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Australia
Sideways
Posts: 4,345
Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!
The FIA - what's occurring there?

So we have a thread about Liberty and (unless I've missed it) we don't seem to have one about the FIA and the machinations there - so here's my crack at getting one started.

The FIA seems to be an organisation that goes through pretty radical change with a new President - Mosley was clearly very different from Balestre and so was the organisation under his leadership, then Todt came along and there was more change (although not as dramatic as the changes brought in by Mosley). We now have Ben Sulayem and more change appears to be on the menu.

With today's announcement that former executive director Peter Bayer has gone it seems to me that this is another example of change in how the sporting side of the sport is run, at F1 level up till now but it now looks like across a wider plain.

So far we've had an F1 Race Director replaced by multiple RDs and a new structure with more people in it, now we have a person who played a part in developing that gone (and based on all the rumours etc, didn't choose to leave). So does that mean that "back to the future" is really a possibility or do we think that these have been first steps in making some significant changes in how the sport is run?
Tourer is offline  
__________________
“We’re far from having too much horsepower…[m]y definition of too much horsepower is when all four wheels are spinning in every gear.” ― Mark Donohue
Quote
Old 5 Jun 2022, 20:37 (Ref:4113077)   #2
porsche962fan
Veteran
 
porsche962fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 4,427
porsche962fan should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
there should be a new organziation formed to replace the FIA and be done with it
porsche962fan is offline  
Quote
Old 6 Jun 2022, 08:16 (Ref:4113146)   #3
S griffin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 18,330
S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!
I don't think we need to replace the FIA, give the new presidency time first
S griffin is online now  
__________________
He who dares wins!
He who hesitates is lost!
Quote
Old 9 Jun 2022, 15:11 (Ref:4113754)   #4
chillibowl
Veteran
 
chillibowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Canada
winnipeg, canada
Posts: 9,719
chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!
his comments from a few days ago, which he is now trying to walk back, doesnt really bode well for the future imo.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...bastian-vettel

part of what he said:

In the interview, which was published on June 3, Ben Sulayem was asked what Formula One should not become.

"Niki Lauda and Alain Prost only cared about driving," he said. "Now, Vettel drives a rainbow bicycle, Lewis is passionate about human rights and Norris addresses mental health. Everybody has the right to think. To me, it is about deciding whether we should impose our believes in something over the sport all the time.

"I am from an Arabian culture. I am international and Muslim. I do not impose my beliefs on other people? No way! Never. If you look at my operation in the UAE: 16 nationalities! Name me one federation that has that many nationalities.

"On top, there are over 34 per cent women and seven religions. And even more Christians than Muslims. I am proud because it creates credibility and merit.

"But do I go and pose my beliefs? No. The rules are there, even now there are issues when it comes to - for example- jewellery, I didn't write that."


imo, while he says he doenst try to impose his beliefs on others, the moment you minimize and dismiss a popular drivers beliefs to just riding 'rainbow bicycle' i would say he is very much expressing his beliefs.

imo he is undermining the very credibility and inclusiveness that the drivers expression of belief has brought to the sport and to their responsible corporate partners.

anyways, looks like the culture wars in F1 is heating up!
chillibowl is offline  
__________________
Home, is where I want to be but I guess I'm already there
I come home, she lifted up her wings guess that this must be the place
Quote
Old 9 Jun 2022, 18:23 (Ref:4113819)   #5
chillibowl
Veteran
 
chillibowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Canada
winnipeg, canada
Posts: 9,719
chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Seb's awesome!

chillibowl is offline  
__________________
Home, is where I want to be but I guess I'm already there
I come home, she lifted up her wings guess that this must be the place
Quote
Old 9 Jun 2022, 20:25 (Ref:4113853)   #6
greentrumpet
Racer
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 219
greentrumpet should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridgreentrumpet should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
When something like this pulls the strings of the successor to Balestre, Mosley and Todt you really have to wonder how and why he got the gig£$€
Sorry, punctuation malfunction?
greentrumpet is offline  
Quote
Old 10 Jun 2022, 09:47 (Ref:4113911)   #7
S griffin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 18,330
S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!
For too long F1 drivers were accused of being multi millionaires who have no awareness of issues in the real world. So I'm glad we now have people like Seb speaking up about injustices in the world. These people are supposed to be role models. This nothing about imposing beliefs. The fact it seems to have touched a nerve with the new FIA president does make you question if he is the right man for the job
S griffin is online now  
__________________
He who dares wins!
He who hesitates is lost!
Quote
Old 11 Jun 2022, 10:12 (Ref:4114173)   #8
CarfanLUFC
Racer
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Zimbabwe
A Yorkshire Farm
Posts: 193
CarfanLUFC should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridCarfanLUFC should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
"Lewis is passionate about human rights"

Yeah, he should keep those horrific opinions to himself shouldn't he Mr Sulayem.......

Awful from the FIA pres, just awful.
CarfanLUFC is offline  
Quote
Old 11 Jun 2022, 20:56 (Ref:4114585)   #9
bjohnsonsmith
Race Official
20KPINAL
 
bjohnsonsmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
United States
London, England
Posts: 23,144
bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quote:
Originally Posted by chillibowl View Post
his comments from a few days ago, which he is now trying to walk back, doesnt really bode well for the future imo.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...bastian-vettel

part of what he said:

In the interview, which was published on June 3, Ben Sulayem was asked what Formula One should not become.

"Niki Lauda and Alain Prost only cared about driving," he said. "Now, Vettel drives a rainbow bicycle, Lewis is passionate about human rights and Norris addresses mental health. Everybody has the right to think. To me, it is about deciding whether we should impose our believes in something over the sport all the time.

"I am from an Arabian culture. I am international and Muslim. I do not impose my beliefs on other people? No way! Never. If you look at my operation in the UAE: 16 nationalities! Name me one federation that has that many nationalities.

"On top, there are over 34 per cent women and seven religions. And even more Christians than Muslims. I am proud because it creates credibility and merit.

"But do I go and pose my beliefs? No. The rules are there, even now there are issues when it comes to - for example- jewellery, I didn't write that."


imo, while he says he doenst try to impose his beliefs on others, the moment you minimize and dismiss a popular drivers beliefs to just riding 'rainbow bicycle' i would say he is very much expressing his beliefs.

imo he is undermining the very credibility and inclusiveness that the drivers expression of belief has brought to the sport and to their responsible corporate partners.

anyways, looks like the culture wars in F1 is heating up!

He is confusing imposing beliefs, with people being made aware of issues. I don't for one minute believe Vettel, Lewisand Norris's intent is to impose their beliefs on anyone. However, they do wish to convey the importance of certain issues.
bjohnsonsmith is online now  
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying."
Colin Chapman.
Quote
Old 13 Jun 2022, 18:50 (Ref:4115438)   #10
chillibowl
Veteran
 
chillibowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Canada
winnipeg, canada
Posts: 9,719
chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith View Post
He is confusing imposing beliefs, with people being made aware of issues. I don't for one minute believe Vettel, Lewisand Norris's intent is to impose their beliefs on anyone. However, they do wish to convey the importance of certain issues.
indeed. well said!
chillibowl is offline  
__________________
Home, is where I want to be but I guess I'm already there
I come home, she lifted up her wings guess that this must be the place
Quote
Old 10 Jul 2022, 01:09 (Ref:4118811)   #11
Tourer
Veteran
 
Tourer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Australia
Sideways
Posts: 4,345
Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!
Bit going on with FIA (so far) this weekend in Austria.

Clearly some disagreement from the drivers with the way that FIA is doing its thing, with Mr Vettel "storming" out of the Drivers Briefing on Friday.

Mr Russel, with what appears to be his GPDA hat on, has said that the FIA should go back to having one Race Director and is currently lacking consistency.

Meanwhile the much vaunted base control room at FIA headquarters didn't see until start of Q3 that Mr Perez had exceeded track limits on his quick run in Q2 & then the Stewards let him run Q3 anyway, before dropping him back to 13th. A decision described by Mr Brundle as harsh (he said that the Stewards agreed with him when he'd spoken to them afterwards) and which meant that Mr Perez used up tyres in Q3 that he didn't need to. Wonder how last year's system, that has been described as "over-stretched" could see and deal with similar issues and this year's highly improved system can't?
Tourer is offline  
__________________
“We’re far from having too much horsepower…[m]y definition of too much horsepower is when all four wheels are spinning in every gear.” ― Mark Donohue
Quote
Old 10 Jul 2022, 10:24 (Ref:4118867)   #12
S griffin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 18,330
S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!
Yes, that was quite a waste of tyres by Checo. I can understand why the stewards made that decision, but it still seems harsh
S griffin is online now  
__________________
He who dares wins!
He who hesitates is lost!
Quote
Old 10 Jul 2022, 19:05 (Ref:4118977)   #13
E.B
Veteran
 
E.B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
United Kingdom
About 7kms East of Albert Park Melbourne
Posts: 6,036
E.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tourer View Post
Bit going on with FIA (so far) this weekend in Austria.

Clearly some disagreement from the drivers with the way that FIA is doing its thing, with Mr Vettel "storming" out of the Drivers Briefing on Friday.

Mr Russel, with what appears to be his GPDA hat on, has said that the FIA should go back to having one Race Director and is currently lacking consistency.

Meanwhile the much vaunted base control room at FIA headquarters didn't see until start of Q3 that Mr Perez had exceeded track limits on his quick run in Q2 & then the Stewards let him run Q3 anyway, before dropping him back to 13th. A decision described by Mr Brundle as harsh (he said that the Stewards agreed with him when he'd spoken to them afterwards) and which meant that Mr Perez used up tyres in Q3 that he didn't need to. Wonder how last year's system, that has been described as "over-stretched" could see and deal with similar issues and this year's highly improved system can't?
Add to that the top three finishers from Sunday’s race at the Red Bull Ring were summoned by the stewards after it emerged their physios entered parc ferme before they had been weighed, breaching the post-race procedure instructions that had been issued.

The summons cited all three had broken Article 12.2.1.j of the International Sporting Code, which states that an offence will have taken place if there is a “failure to follow the instructions of the relevant officials for the safe and orderly conduct of the Event.”

The stewards opted to hand all three a suspended fine of €10,000.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/le...each/10336404/

Its all a bit over the top. Headmaster's study and all that
E.B is online now  
Quote
Old 10 Jul 2022, 19:23 (Ref:4118978)   #14
chillibowl
Veteran
 
chillibowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Canada
winnipeg, canada
Posts: 9,719
chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!
for me the optics on all this is that the more the drivers speak out, the more they criticize the officials, the more they exhibit any behavior that shows they hold influence over the fans then the more punitive and petty the FIA will be in punishing these minor (and at least once tacitly accepted practices) infractions.

for me this all comes across as an attempt to remind drivers their place.
chillibowl is offline  
__________________
Home, is where I want to be but I guess I'm already there
I come home, she lifted up her wings guess that this must be the place
Quote
Old 10 Jul 2022, 20:33 (Ref:4118995)   #15
Tourer
Veteran
 
Tourer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Australia
Sideways
Posts: 4,345
Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by E.B View Post
The summons cited all three had broken Article 12.2.1.j of the International Sporting Code, which states that an offence will have taken place if there is a “failure to follow the instructions of the relevant officials for the safe and orderly conduct of the Event.”

The stewards opted to hand all three a suspended fine of €10,000.


Its all a bit over the top. Headmaster's study and all that
For sure there are limits on access to Parc Ferme, as there should be and it does need to be controlled and managed but the way it was handled here was OTT, agree completely.

The thing that stands out to me is that the FIA is able to take the little driver weight scales down into the pitlane after qual and after a sprint race but then don't do that for the Grand Prix, instead keeping the scales in the break room, thus lengthening the time significantly between drivers getting out of their cars and being weighed.

To me that seems like the FIA simply being slack and not on the ball - resulting in suspended fines for drivers - ridiculous really.
Tourer is offline  
__________________
“We’re far from having too much horsepower…[m]y definition of too much horsepower is when all four wheels are spinning in every gear.” ― Mark Donohue
Quote
Old 13 Jul 2022, 19:00 (Ref:4119434)   #16
wolfhound
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Ireland
Posts: 3,547
wolfhound should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridwolfhound should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridwolfhound should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridwolfhound should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tourer View Post
Bit going on with FIA (so far) this weekend in Austria.



Meanwhile the much vaunted base control room at FIA headquarters didn't see until start of Q3 that Mr Perez had exceeded track limits on his quick run in Q2 & then the Stewards let him run Q3 anyway, before dropping him back to 13th. A decision described by Mr Brundle as harsh (he said that the Stewards agreed with him when he'd spoken to them afterwards) and which meant that Mr Perez used up tyres in Q3 that he didn't need to. Wonder how last year's system, that has been described as "over-stretched" could see and deal with similar issues and this year's highly improved system can't?

It also meant that Gasly could not get higher up the grid than 10th. I wonder if he drove for another team could it have resulted in further action?
wolfhound is offline  
Quote
Old 13 Jul 2022, 20:41 (Ref:4119444)   #17
Tourer
Veteran
 
Tourer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Australia
Sideways
Posts: 4,345
Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfhound View Post
It also meant that Gasly could not get higher up the grid than 10th. I wonder if he drove for another team could it have resulted in further action?
Quite possibly - we'd likely have heard a LOT more noise about it if Gasly drove for one or two other selected teams. Would still have been noise after the fact though, because the running wide issue wasn't picked up quickly enough. Seems that firstly neither the race directors nor the "bunker" picked up on the transgression, then secondly the stewards decided to look at it after Q3 - both very poor performances.

Meanwhile, the drivers seem to be getting less and less comfortable with the current FIA approach at Grands Prix.
Tourer is offline  
__________________
“We’re far from having too much horsepower…[m]y definition of too much horsepower is when all four wheels are spinning in every gear.” ― Mark Donohue
Quote
Old 14 Jul 2022, 07:52 (Ref:4119481)   #18
S griffin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 18,330
S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tourer View Post
Meanwhile, the drivers seem to be getting less and less comfortable with the current FIA approach at Grands Prix.
I can't say I blame them much. Too much meddling involved atm, penalties for minor things etc. They need to take a step back a bit.

Meanwhile Masi has something to say on his recent FIA departure

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fo...ture/10337501/
S griffin is online now  
__________________
He who dares wins!
He who hesitates is lost!
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2022, 02:47 (Ref:4119767)   #19
Tourer
Veteran
 
Tourer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Australia
Sideways
Posts: 4,345
Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!
Thought I'd share this article about the AFL (Australian Football League) "bunker" and how it works generally.

Be interesting to know more about the FIA version and how it functions and what it does.
Tourer is offline  
__________________
“We’re far from having too much horsepower…[m]y definition of too much horsepower is when all four wheels are spinning in every gear.” ― Mark Donohue
Quote
Old 8 Feb 2023, 16:11 (Ref:4143154)   #20
crmalcolm
Subscriber
Veteran
 
crmalcolm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Nepal
Exactly where I need to be.
Posts: 12,293
crmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Mohammed Ben Sulayem to step back from direct Formula 1 involvement


Motorsport boss Mohammed Ben Sulayem says he will take a step back from direct involvement in Formula 1.

The 61-year-old's move comes after a series of controversies since he became president of governing body the FIA in December 2021.

Ben Sulayem wrote that it had been his "stated objective to be a non-executive president via the recruitment of a team of professional managers".

This step, the Emirati said, "has now largely been completed".




Is this move part of the plan all along, or has Ben Sulayem found that being ringmaster is a bigger challenge than anticipated?
crmalcolm is offline  
__________________
"When you’re just too socially awkward for real life, Ten-Tenths welcomes you with open arms. Everyone has me figured out, which makes it super easy for me."
Quote
Old 8 Feb 2023, 16:15 (Ref:4143155)   #21
Richard C
Veteran
 
Richard C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,803
Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
Is this move part of the plan all along, or has Ben Sulayem found that being ringmaster is a bigger challenge than anticipated?
Yeah, I expect it is the latter!

Richard
Richard C is online now  
__________________
To paraphrase Mark Twain... "I'm sorry I wrote such a long post; I didn't have time to write a short one."
Quote
Old 8 Feb 2023, 16:53 (Ref:4143160)   #22
Mike Harte
Veteran
 
Mike Harte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
United Kingdom
W. Yorkshire
Posts: 5,473
Mike Harte will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike Harte will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike Harte will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike Harte will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike Harte will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike Harte will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike Harte will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike Harte will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike Harte will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
And he has stirred up quite a few controversies along the way, as well. There's the comments he wrote some time ago, before he was FIA president, that women are not as equal as men, and I don't think that he was just referring to driving, and his current gaffe that drivers need to seek permission from the FIA before making comments about things such as anything political or on human rights, etc.
Mike Harte is offline  
Quote
Old 8 Feb 2023, 17:06 (Ref:4143162)   #23
chillibowl
Veteran
 
chillibowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Canada
winnipeg, canada
Posts: 9,719
chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!
right! he definitely chose all the wrong battles to fight.

have to say though, from what little i know about him, i assume this was a tough admission for him or his office to have had to make so he gets some credit from me for stepping back even if it might have been forced on him.
chillibowl is offline  
__________________
Home, is where I want to be but I guess I'm already there
I come home, she lifted up her wings guess that this must be the place
Quote
Old 8 Feb 2023, 17:34 (Ref:4143164)   #24
Gerard C
Veteran
 
Gerard C's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
France
My place
Posts: 9,979
Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Harte View Post
There's the comments he wrote some time ago, before he was FIA president, that women are not as equal as men, and I don't think that he was just referring to driving, and his current gaffe that drivers need to seek permission from the FIA before making comments about things such as anything political or on human rights, etc.
Just unbelievable. When you think that this instance is involved in many things other than F1. This world is totally crazy.
Gerard C is offline  
Quote
Old 8 Feb 2023, 18:01 (Ref:4143166)   #25
Tourer
Veteran
 
Tourer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Australia
Sideways
Posts: 4,345
Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!Tourer is going for a new lap record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
Is this move part of the plan all along, or has Ben Sulayem found that being ringmaster is a bigger challenge than anticipated?
It might have been planned all along but I suspect that was not the case, given the high profile attendance at so many GPs, the insertion into key photo ops, all the various statements specific to F1.

I think rather that he has come to the realisation of where the real power lies in F1, which is where it has always been (at least since the late 70s anyway) with the commercial rights holder and the teams.

Various clumsy approaches or statements culminated in what he had to say about the value of F1 and I think that was probably the cause of him now stepping back - no doubt after some consultation with FIA lawyers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chillibowl View Post
right! he definitely chose all the wrong battles to fight.

have to say though, from what little i know about him, i assume this was a tough admission for him or his office to have had to make so he gets some credit from me for stepping back even if it might have been forced on him.
I agree - very very tough for him personally to step back the way he has and even if he was effectively forced to do so, he deserves some credit for it - we can all be thankful that he didn't take a "Balestre" approach!
Tourer is offline  
__________________
“We’re far from having too much horsepower…[m]y definition of too much horsepower is when all four wheels are spinning in every gear.” ― Mark Donohue
Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Will there come a time when there will be not more rule change? Greenback Formula One 13 26 Nov 2006 22:45
Is there another Clark/Senna/Schumacher out there? Armco Bender Formula One 35 27 Aug 2006 01:16
Is there life out there in Club Single Seater Land? SpawnyWhippet Club Level Single Seaters 37 15 Nov 2005 12:18
There are some odd people out there Craner Curves National & International Single Seaters 4 25 May 2004 22:38
How many disabled racing drivers are there / have there been? BootsOntheSide National & International Single Seaters 29 31 Oct 2003 14:58


All times are GMT. The time now is 15:37.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.