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| Perry McCarthy |
  
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| Max Papis |
  
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| Bobby Rahal |
  
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4 | 8.33% |
| Danny Sullivan |
  
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0 | 0% |
| Gabriele Tarquini |
  
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4 | 8.33% |
| Eric van der Poele |
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1 | 2.08% |
| 'Smokin' Jo Winklehock |
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0 | 0% |
| Alex Zanardi |
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32 | 66.67% |
| Someone Else |
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7 | 14.58% |
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16 Apr 2003, 13:41 (Ref:571161)
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Best Driver Never To Score More Than 2 Points
Ideally, it'd be nice to believe that F1 is a true meritocricy, but the reality is that a lot of guys who deserve to do well either don't make F1, or, in this case, don't get much in the way of results, whether due to bad luck, poor machinery or whatever.
These guys all seem like fine examples. All of them have achieved success elsewhere. I think they all could ultimately have succeeded in F1 - Van Der Poele, for example, outpaced Damon Hill 5-2 in their time as team-mates, with only 1 year of extra experience, while Rahal put in 2 good drives for Wolf before tehy scaled back to 1 car. |
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16 Apr 2003, 13:52 (Ref:571166)
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Alex Zanardi is undoubtably up there. What about the plethora of drivers who never made it to F1 (eg. only Sportscars, CART, F3000 etc)?
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16 Apr 2003, 14:11 (Ref:571178)
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16 Apr 2003, 14:25 (Ref:571193)
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Alex...for personal reasons....made it to F1 too late, and under the microscope....the pressure was too high.
Under the right circumstances he would have shinned....If he wouls have stated with a team like Toyota in their first year of F1....with no high expectation, and time to addapt he might still be there now. |
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16 Apr 2003, 14:38 (Ref:571207)
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Bearing in mind how Toyota treated Alan McNish are you sure about that? But I agree that Alex would have done better in a team with a more supportive management team.
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16 Apr 2003, 14:41 (Ref:571210)
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Sorry, I wasn't clear enough on the point that I was talking about guys who did get to F1, but didn't get major results.
Zanardi came close to getting my vote as well, but I gave it to Rahal, as he put together such a strong CART career up against all the old heroes, whereas Zanardi had the advantage (in CART) of being in the best machinery, engineered by Mo Nunn, with an over-rated team-mate. In F1 he showed real potential, but tehre were a few msitakes along the way, and sadly modern f1 cars didn't suit him. In 1989 or 1979 he would've been an instant success though. |
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16 Apr 2003, 14:49 (Ref:571217)
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Zanardi. He was capable of _so_ much more.
Rahal's a close second. F*****g James Hunt sabotaged his career, demanding a one-car operation at Wolf as the terms for his employment, then just walked away from the team 7 races into the season! In his first F1 race, at Watkins Glen, he qualified 20th, and finished a very respectable 12th, still within a second of teammate Schecter! At Montreal, he damaged his ground effects-equipped WR5, and had to go to an old non-ground effects WR1 chassis, Schecter's backup car. He put the car 20th on the grid when it shouldn't have even made the field, and was up to 11th, looking for a place to overtake Patrick Tambay's McLaren, when a fuel flapper valve stuck open and took him out of the race. He was just about the only driver who could make trouble for Gilles Villeneuve in Formula Atlantic in '77, and he beat Rosberg, who finished 3rd in the championship. |
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16 Apr 2003, 14:52 (Ref:571221)
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I voted someone else.
I don't thnk Pedro Lamy scored more than 1 point... and he was good. |
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16 Apr 2003, 15:14 (Ref:571236)
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Norberto Fontana. In the days he raced in F1 he had many potential to do more than he did in his four races... and was a terrible shame that he failed to secure drives at Tyrrell and Minardi later, mostly if he was capable to did more than Tuero or Mazzacane. Despite his mediocre F3000 and CART races (in midfield teams with no much support) he returned to his good form and he is the reigning champion and one of the principal names in the Argentinian TC2000.
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16 Apr 2003, 15:28 (Ref:571248)
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Gotta be Zanardi. But Luca Badoer and Marc Gene deserve to be on the list too...
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16 Apr 2003, 23:45 (Ref:571653)
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Either Zanardi or Bernd Schneider - both massively successful in other major international formulae, but never a fair crack at F1.
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17 Apr 2003, 00:06 (Ref:571662)
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Gabriele Tarquini. Massively under-rated driver. Never got a shot at even a mid-field team, was always stuck with the backmarkers - AGS, Fondmetal/Osella...
But he has shone in Touring Cars consistently for at least the good part of a decade now. |
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17 Apr 2003, 00:18 (Ref:571673)
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Without a doubt - Alex "ripped off at Williams" Zanardi.
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17 Apr 2003, 01:50 (Ref:571726)
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Zanardi for sure , but I voted for tarquini , the guy was and still is simply brilliant.
I wish he had of got a better shot at F1 |
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17 Apr 2003, 01:51 (Ref:571727)
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ummmmm hang on Im pretty sure Zanardi scored more that 2 points in his F1 career ????
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17 Apr 2003, 01:52 (Ref:571728)
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wow he may not have , did he get any points at williams in 99????
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17 Apr 2003, 01:54 (Ref:571730)
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No. Zanardi only scored one point I believe. At Lotus. Actually no, it was earlier in his career, at Jordan. A lone 6th place if memory serves me correctly.
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17 Apr 2003, 01:55 (Ref:571731)
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Zanardi was just magical. If the cars had favored his Classicaly smooth style, he would have been magnificent.
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17 Apr 2003, 02:01 (Ref:571733)
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I just checked it out DNQ , you were right the first time Zanardi scored one point in 1993 at Lotus.
but my records only go to 1997 so i wasnt sure about 99 |
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17 Apr 2003, 02:10 (Ref:571736)
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voted for Rahal, but thought long and hard (about 5 seconds in reality, but it seemed like a long time) about Zanardi. In the end Rahal's excellent CART career and his having to drive S**t in F1 put him over Zanardi who also had a great CART career (if not as long) but had much better equipment available to him in F1.
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17 Apr 2003, 02:10 (Ref:571737)
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Tarquini by miles. He would have smoked every driver on that list easily, including the much overrated Zanardi.
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17 Apr 2003, 02:18 (Ref:571743)
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Bernd Schneider has shown pretty well in sports cars. How many points did Derek Bell get in F1? He raced in 12 races, not sure if he scored many points. Actually, thinking about it again, I think he did take a 4th place on one occasion, so forget him then.
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17 Apr 2003, 02:23 (Ref:571745)
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17 Apr 2003, 02:44 (Ref:571747)
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Zanardi's two CART championships made him a great CART driver, but it didn't mean he was going to be a front runner in F1 either. Zanardi had some pretty decent cars at his disposal but never looked like anything more than a midfielder. Tarquini took **** cars like AGS and Fondmetal and ran competitively in the upper midfield with them. IMO that took way more talent than Zanardi dominating the two CART championship with the best team.
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17 Apr 2003, 03:49 (Ref:571758)
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Alex easy
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