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18 Mar 2005, 15:23 (Ref:1255245)
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If you were Long Beach why would you sign on with CCWS next year!
Just thinking about the LBGP this year and how we are so close and really only 11 drivers confirmed. Interesting to read the bottom of the article of the comment from LBGP.
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Edmon...963873-sun.html Why if you are the LBGP would you sign on again with CCWS for next year. The delays in finding teams and drivers must be frustrating for LBGP. It is hard to market with only a few stars left. Disorganization seems to be the flavor for CCWS. Once this race is over if they took the IRL they could begin marketing for next year using Andretti, Ganassi, Penske real players in the racing industry and these names, more importantly, would resonate with the fans. I am a CCWS fan but must say it is becoming tougher and tougher to keep saying that. Last edited by sgjb; 18 Mar 2005 at 15:25. |
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18 Mar 2005, 15:47 (Ref:1255263)
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I have to agree with you - if I was organising Long Beach I would, reluctantly, invite the IndyCars over.
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18 Mar 2005, 16:05 (Ref:1255280)
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I don't think there's a substantial advantage by either series in the driver recognition respect. In terms of LBGP organizers' frustrations regarding not knowing the exact lineup, the most important people have been declared as part of the lineup. If I was the LBGP organizers I wouldn't want to risk switching from something that's been successful to something that doesn't automatically gaurenty the same results. In terms of names, the IRL teams probably have more name recognition. Of the general public, how many of them care about the teams? I'd suggest few. No one goes out to a race because they'd psyched that Ganassi is running a team in the IRL. It's about the drivers. In terms of teams "resonating with fans," I think Paul Newman wins the Joe Public appeal contest hands down. Last edited by Snrub; 18 Mar 2005 at 16:06. |
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18 Mar 2005, 17:36 (Ref:1255353)
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If, that's an IF, the race ever goes to the other series, then I doubt it would be as popular as the Champ Car race.
Its tradition, and it's been a CART race since, '84. Long beach is my favourite street circuit, along with a few others, and I feel it's an important part of Champ Car, and it's history, similar to Milwaukee. Last edited by luke; 18 Mar 2005 at 17:39. |
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18 Mar 2005, 17:46 (Ref:1255359)
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I don't think it would damage attendance.
Most people go for the event at Long Beach, rather than the series. |
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18 Mar 2005, 18:27 (Ref:1255381)
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sgjb, perhaps you should stop saying that.
Once the final numbers and final driver-team placements are determined; all info will be provided, probably just a week before the race. That would serve to keep the interest very high. I think there will be some very promising new drivers and numbers(more than 18). CBS&NBC have reconized the devout core of (real) fans willing to part with thier own money and buy tickets and figure there must be something to it. Look for a lot of new sponsers. |
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18 Mar 2005, 18:34 (Ref:1255384)
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The Toyota Grand prix of Long beach has been a Champ Car race since '84. The majourity of the fans are Champ Car fans, that go to the event, and it's maintained a loyal fan base. Last edited by luke; 18 Mar 2005 at 18:35. |
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18 Mar 2005, 18:37 (Ref:1255389)
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18 Mar 2005, 19:36 (Ref:1255431)
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I think that if Long Beach turns into an IRL race, then the Grand Prix will have a very tough time filling the seats. Like luke said, the people who go to LB are loyal Champ Car fans, so they would not like the change at all. Moreover, given the crappy attendance that Fontana gets, I doubt that there are a great number of serious IRL fans in Southern California.
One thing that can be said about CC events over IRL races... people show up. |
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18 Mar 2005, 19:49 (Ref:1255438)
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Up until very recently, I was suspicious that future LBGP's would feature F1. But it would appear that their current US track has invested quite alot of money in SAFER barriers, specific to F1, and they wouldn't have done so without assurance of a future.
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18 Mar 2005, 20:57 (Ref:1255478)
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Having 2 F1 races in the US seems feasible, considering the country's size, and the fact that the country supported 2 (sometimes 3) races in the past.
Closer to the topic, I think a lot of circuits will be getting frustrated with ChampCars. A lot of places have been messed around and not given a definite date, let alone a definite idea of the field they are trying to promote. If the first few IRL road/street races go well and are well-attended, Long Beach would be well-advised to switch |
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18 Mar 2005, 22:10 (Ref:1255530)
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I don't know how well attended the thing will be if it's CCWS or IRL. But it's true that Champ Car must improve in "knowing who the hell is driving". Perhaps having one or two events before the Long Beach race itself would help.
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18 Mar 2005, 22:24 (Ref:1255540)
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Boots, aside from Indy, how many "well attended races has IRL had?" . I'm just curious I don't know of any, how about if we only count tickets solde, not given away.
You need to rember California is a True "Blue state"  BTW, : INDY tickets and rooms are plentyfull any time . Wasn't the case a few years ago. ...I'm wondering how lmuch longer the Hulman famley will let the money hemorage while T.G. pushes his "vision" 
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19 Mar 2005, 00:25 (Ref:1255628)
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Personally i do not believe that most (or even 30%) of attendance at Long Beach as well as total attendance for CC are "Loyal Champ Car fans". Loyal fans are imo people that at least follow most of the races. Tv-ratings suggest that less than 10% of total attendance follows most of the races. |
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19 Mar 2005, 00:55 (Ref:1255647)
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Oh no... stop it, three weeks before the season opener starts I d'ont like to hear all this negative stuff anymore... the last months we heard tons of it... gentlemen start your engines and talk about the drivers, teams etc... this year we will have great pack of good drivers on the grid!
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