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Old 16 Jun 2005, 09:34 (Ref:1330185)   #1
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FIA overall - Norme 1986 standard

I have two overalls by Sparco and there is some codes at the back:

FIA Norme 1986 / 1986 Standard 01.008.CSAI.87
FIA Norme 1986 / 1986 Standard 01.007.CSAI.87

I want to know what do they mean? Can I still use them for national club races or track days in UK?

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Old 16 Jun 2005, 10:23 (Ref:1330208)   #2
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Norme 1986 is the "expired" FIA standard superceded by 8856-2000 for International use. The UK authroities accept Norme 86 for track days, national racing and speed events. It's only International or continental racing that mandates 8856-2000.

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Thanks! So what is the difference between 01.008.CSAI.87 and 01.007.CSAI.87?
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Old 16 Jun 2005, 10:45 (Ref:1330221)   #4
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Just different homologation numbers. They're different construction so each has its own homologation. 01.007/8 is the reference number of that particular model of suit, CSAI means it was submitted through the Italian msa and 87 is the year of submission (note: not the year of manufacture. This standard only ceased legality in 2004 so it may have been made any time up until then. IIRC 8856-2000 only started being used in 2002/3).
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Old 16 Jun 2005, 13:06 (Ref:1330345)   #5
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Thanks again but still I want to know more about the different between 01.008 and 01.007, does it mean the different in the number of layers of Nomex? (Because my overalls looks very different from each other)

Also regarding to another Nomex-related post, am I allow to use a Nomex overall with sew on patches on track days / national racing?
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Old 16 Jun 2005, 15:06 (Ref:1330451)   #6
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Trackdays? You don't even need a race suit, so you'll be fine. National racing? You should be okay as long as the scrutineer doesn't take exception to the badges - I've one badge on my overalls, sewn into the top layer only and have never had a problem; if you've a dozen badges sewn right through the overall, you might have a problem occassionally...
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>>>>>>>>>still I want to know more about the different between 01.008 and 01.007

You'll need to speak to Sparco, I'm not privvy to their production details - unless someone here has an old catalogue with descriptions, cloth weights etc.
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Old 16 Jun 2005, 15:55 (Ref:1330513)   #8
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I tried to email Sparco but their email address was invaild. Also checked FIA's website but no more detail about the old 1986 standard. Anyway thanks for your help!!
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The old Norme 86 is easy to describe - place a bunsen burner underneath the outer layer of the fabric and wait til the temperature on the inner layer goes above the threshold of 2nd degree burns. If it's more than 12 seconds and the lining material stays in one piece when twisted several times along the warp and the weft, voila, it's passed.

What I don't know is the difference between the suits registered 007 and 008, and that's what Sparco will need to tell you. Some suggestions would be: 2-layer vs 3-layer and heavier cloth somewhere, but I don't know.

BTW I don't think the standards have changed that much for 8856-2000, just a more scientific (read expensive) way of measuring. 12 seconds isn't very long.
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Old 17 Jun 2005, 08:11 (Ref:1331316)   #10
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Part of the "2000" standard is manditory epilets - so I think you may be right - the fireproof material may not be different at all. I can imagine my fancy "1986" standard suit would actually pass the "2000" test but as it isn't labelled as such, I've got to buy a new one for International races
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