|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
|
View Poll Results: Would you like to see a limit on sets of tyres used? | |||
Yes. I would like to see tyre limits introduced. | 28 | 82.35% | |
No. I don't want a tyre limit introduced. | 1 | 2.94% | |
Not really bothered either way. | 5 | 14.71% | |
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
5 Jun 2009, 22:51 (Ref:2476246) | #1 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,338
|
Cost Cutting.... Tyre limits
As discussed in the THREAD "COSTS", please see below.
"Blah Blah Blah. Heard it all before. This tyre arguement was raised a couple of years ago and many people (and plenty that post on here) scoffed at the idea of limiting the number of tyres we use. I spearheaded trying to get the number of sets per year capped and of all people, it was actually AVON that agreed with me!!!!!!!! Fair play to them. I sat down and discussed it with them and they said that in all the other Championships that they supply tyres that impose a limit, they actually sell more tyres. If you limited every competitor to 3 sets of new tyres per year (easily policed by serial number), then everyone competing would buy three sets. As it is at the moment, most clubbies run on one to 2 sets and 3 or 4 drivers might by 5+ for a year. Wet races? That's down to you! Keep one set for wet (just in case) and be clever with the other 8. Mix and Match. "Tyre Management" If you get a puncture, you can have a replacement if it can't be repaired (and yes, a puncture repair on a race tyre works as effiiently as it does on a road tyre). So yes, a lot of the drivers were in favour and a lot wasn't. The tyre manufacturer was in favour. Great. But the next step was to take it to the BRSCC and a regulation change was required. This is where it ground to a halt. I put it to the Club and never heard anything back. AS I haven't been active for the last 2 years and nobody else seemed bothered (typical apathy), I never persued it, but if everyone agreed to it, then we could make it happen for next year. I'll start a new Thread and put a poll on it. Have your say!" |
||
__________________
A new Middle East Crisis erupted last night as Dubai TV refused to broadcast 'The Flintstones'. A spokesman said, "Dubai citizens wouldn't understand the humour, but those in Abu Dhabi Do!". |
6 Jun 2009, 08:39 (Ref:2476378) | #2 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,027
|
Well I've voted because it's a no-brainer for anyone on a limited budget.
Just about to leave for our 4th meeting, 6th. race of the year and pretty much decided to buy new rubber which would make our third set this year. The reason is, although I reckon there's enough on the set that has done qually and a race at Silverstone and qually and two races at Snet I KNOW that there will be a performance drop off this time out and I don't want to send my driver out disadvantaged as we'll all be wasting our time. We might as well stay at home and watch the GP. So the credit card comes out again.... I'm sure this is why there is a drop off in entries. If you know others are in the same position and have to "manage" their rubber the same as you there must be more likelyhood of attracting the less well financed driver to race. |
||
|
8 Jun 2009, 19:06 (Ref:2477871) | #3 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 280
|
Quote:
|
||
|
9 Jun 2009, 12:22 (Ref:2478344) | #4 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,920
|
Quote:
Pro rata them so after 1/2 the rounds you only get 1 set tyres ok still an advantage but not as great. After 1/4 of the rounds 6 tyres. Seems a very low number of sets by the last round they'd be slicks, do you get heavy rain in Ireland in September/October |
|||
__________________
Built and Engineered FFZetec 2006 festival winner. 3rd 2009 & 2012 FFZetec festival final |
9 Jun 2009, 14:49 (Ref:2478425) | #5 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 368
|
Yeah, agree with the limit sort of, but up the limit from 3 sets. I think 6 would be a reasonable figure for a 10 round c'ship.
Although, there is nothing like the feeling of bolting on a new set of boots and heading out on track for quali to go balls out with more grip than usual. One of the best feelings in motorsport in my view. winning aside obviously. p.S. If you are out of tyres and you get a puncture, do you get a 10 place grid penalty at the next round. |
||
|
9 Jun 2009, 18:21 (Ref:2478556) | #6 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 231
|
Tyres are free if it rains in the S.Irish champ. 2 sets for the dry rounds, works fine.
|
||
|
9 Jun 2009, 20:20 (Ref:2478661) | #7 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,338
|
Quote:
That could be interesting................................ |
|||
__________________
A new Middle East Crisis erupted last night as Dubai TV refused to broadcast 'The Flintstones'. A spokesman said, "Dubai citizens wouldn't understand the humour, but those in Abu Dhabi Do!". |
13 Jun 2009, 13:03 (Ref:2481567) | #8 | |
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 4,230
|
Walshy
when will the poll finish so far 24 bodies have voted and there are what 200 Fford racers using avon tyres? can you then host a poll on the notion of changing tyre supplier I suggest these questions are they suitable questions? 1 do you want to see 3 year rule to evaluate tyre supplier on cost and wear rate with a view to a change of supplier? 2 would you be happy with cheaper set of tyres with same lap time and current wear rate? 3 would you be happy with cheaper tyres that last longer and maybe upto 0.7 sec lap slower? 4 you are happy with current supplier? |
|
|
17 Jun 2009, 10:06 (Ref:2485094) | #9 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,338
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
A new Middle East Crisis erupted last night as Dubai TV refused to broadcast 'The Flintstones'. A spokesman said, "Dubai citizens wouldn't understand the humour, but those in Abu Dhabi Do!". |
17 Jun 2009, 12:17 (Ref:2485166) | #10 | |
Rookie
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 65
|
Just to let you all know I voted 'Not bothered'...
For me personally, I would not vote against having a tyre limit nor would I vote in favour as there are good arguments either way. Having a limit would limit 1st hand costs but increase the price of 2nd hand tyres and limit the availability. So either way, I would probably (actually will be out of pocket but that's not the point) end up out of pocket. No limit would mean available 2nd hand tyres but a tyre limit would increase the price of 2nd hand tyres by laws of supply and demand. |
|
|
17 Jun 2009, 12:58 (Ref:2485190) | #11 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,338
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
A new Middle East Crisis erupted last night as Dubai TV refused to broadcast 'The Flintstones'. A spokesman said, "Dubai citizens wouldn't understand the humour, but those in Abu Dhabi Do!". |
17 Jun 2009, 15:21 (Ref:2485266) | #12 | ||
Rookie
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 65
|
Quote:
On the other hand, bald ~= slick ~= superfast |
||
|
17 Jun 2009, 16:30 (Ref:2485298) | #13 | |
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 4,230
|
Walshy yr right f3 was free with slicks we used to use them in club events
when rule was enforced on 6 units not sets! per weekend the used units where good for tyre barriers |
|
|
13 Jul 2009, 12:12 (Ref:2500770) | #14 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,446
|
F4 have discussed tyre limits for next season last weekend at Cadwell and the club said it was the drivers choice. We took a vote and all voted in favour of a tyre limit. We are just working on whether we go for 3 sets or 4 sets a season.
The 750mc have agreed with us - job done. In the BRSCC's world any change to regs takes about 3 - 4 years? But the 750mc actually listens to its customers. |
||
|
13 Jul 2009, 12:25 (Ref:2500781) | #15 | |
Rookie
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 82
|
just shows how quick a rule can be changed, I'm asking something similar in classic ff2000 racing, and a all in driver/car weight.
how are 750mc going to police the tyre rule?, does the f4 run a all in weight? |
|
|
13 Jul 2009, 12:40 (Ref:2500792) | #16 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,446
|
you will have to register your tyres with the club - each tyre has a barcode and they will get checked in scruitineering to see if the tyres you have on the car match the ones registered. Everytime you buy a new set you just have to give the codes to the club at signing on.
|
||
|
13 Jul 2009, 17:22 (Ref:2500969) | #17 | |
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 4,230
|
SIMPLES innit
Just ask Alexander @ compare the meerkats.com those who want to abuse the system will soon get chucked out and it would not be a bad thing IF the chassis was also registered to the club with a club reg plate added so if the driver is banned so is his car for life soon stop the cheating/abusers from wrong doing |
|
|
14 Jul 2009, 14:36 (Ref:2501604) | #18 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,229
|
Quote:
I don't think thats going to catch on somehow. |
||
|
14 Jul 2009, 14:56 (Ref:2501616) | #19 | |
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 4,230
|
if it was imposed it would stop the cheats as they would then have UNSALEABLE car
it would not be a bad thing to install the plates onto cars for every championship any car to race in a series would have to register be inspected to qualify and easy to ban any cheating cars Germany has ONS papers for a car Australia has CAMS papers logbook for race cars usa had SCCA logbooks and registration rally cars have them when a cheater is caught what happens? Publicly flogged in the square? nowt he is banned at most from a series but you hurt him more by banning registered cars |
|
|
14 Jul 2009, 15:10 (Ref:2501621) | #20 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,229
|
He gets excluded from the race. Once is generally enough.
|
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
IRL cost cutting | nic.v814 | Indycar Series | 27 | 27 Jan 2009 17:06 |
So, what cost cutting measures can be used? | duke_toaster | Formula One | 68 | 10 Dec 2008 09:44 |
FIA Cost Cutting - Paris | Barberouge | Formula One | 11 | 8 Nov 2007 00:52 |
The Other Side of Cost Cutting | Barberouge | Formula One | 3 | 6 Nov 2006 15:12 |
V8 Supercars - Cost Cutting | Peter Nightingale | Australasian Touring Cars. | 43 | 14 May 2006 13:38 |