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Ooo, LMDh. Interesting not really DTM to my mind, but I remember the shorter Group C races back in the day.
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so... without even considering power, they expect that a 1300kg road derivated racecar with a totally uncomparable aero should match DTM laptimes? |
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there a lot of issues in every aspect... 1. power, the least issue. GT3 engines are basically road engines, throw away restrictors and mandatory turbo pressures and 600hp are quite reachable. Surely would be required a 120L fuel tank for the race and a better cooling system but being dtm a sprint format, there will not be many reliability issues about this. Gearbox should be fine too. 2. aero and chassis. The biggest issue. Basically all gt3 cars stock and unballasted are >1200kg, it's really unlikely drop some other mass from them since chassis need to be the same of road cars and all other features are already reduced to the essentials. The only way to save some mass would be drop off all electric stuff that manages ABS, TCS etc... but no way will be possible to make them 1070kg heavy (DTM reg. min. weight). Considering also that 1070kg is driver included... basically a dtm car weight is <1000kg. Aero, well... basically no match. You can give bigger splitter/rear wing and a GTE-like diffuser but a GT car will never develope the same downforce and cornering speed of a dtm. 3. maybe the only positive side of the matter.... I'm quite sure gtopen/IMSA michelin are way way better than dtm hankook compound that are made just to force driver to change tyres due show necessities (like pirelli in f1). so making a quick comparison 2019 DTM hockeneim fastest pole: 1.28.9 2019 gtopen hockeneim fastest pole: 1.36.7 considering that gtopen gt3 use michelin and are usually a bit lighter than SRO/FIA bop, well these GT3+ need to improve of just 8 seconds at hockeneim as said... good luck. Forgot a little detail... all these updates required will increase production and racing costs... so... live and let (dtm) die. |
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Still, good luck to their survival plan and if it succeed, let's hope that they won't shove those regulations to Super GT much like last time. |
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DSC delves into the costs involved in GT3 http://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/0...ng-part-1.html |
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Just spotted this snippet on Autosport
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/15...o-more-support "But sources insist that Coletta is not particularly interested in the F1 role right now, and is more committed than ever to building up a project that will bring Ferrari back to the top at Le Mans." |
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The plot thickens. Already we have seen rumours of Ferrari to Indy, now are they looking into Hypercar
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However for the first time in a while it makes commercial sense for Ferrari - if anyone can sell cars to a customer programme it is Ferrari as the cars will be all collectors items. Hence the only thing that makes sense is Hypercar and not LMDh as otherwise it wont be a 'Ferrari' |
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Thats why it is Hypercar that is the only route that makes sense for them.
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I see one big problem with ditching LMP2 for LMP3 and that is that a big part of the appeal of LMDH are the fixed prices for the chassis from the approved LMP2 builders. Those guys can, however, only make a profit through economies of scale. Without the LMP2 market, chassis for LMDH will either cost more or be significantly less well engineered.
In other words - and yes, that's a perversion in itself - privateer P2 teams are currently subsidizing the cheap chassis for the manufacturers in DPi. |
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I went to look for any chassis dimensions and couldn't find them in the releases about the lmdh rules. They all just mentioned that the lmp2 tub makers would deliver a complete "spine" or to put it another way, "a complete car without the bodywork, engine, or hybrid." I was not sure if this package includes suspension components as well. |
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You would think there will be some freedom around suspension as there is in DPi to account for different overall weight and weight distribution of different engines and ancillaries.
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(edit - I misread the date of the publication so this is old news, but anyway)
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...upgradability/ “When the rules were set for the current P2 regulations it was clear for us that only the two best chassis would stay in business. We knew we had to perform. I think we need to discuss together and define what we want for the future.” Doesn't this contradict the nonsense comments put out by Hughes de Chaunac 5 years ago, when he was arguing about the four chassis constructor limit being to the financial benefit of everybody involved. How is only two chassis manufacturers _staying in the business_ the best solution (even if you only look at those 4 and no-one else) |
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Anyone think that Hypercar might have a future if Peugeot go for it? It's seemignly a rumor that Peugeot are favoring that over the DPI-based regs.
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I think they really want to sell their battery system on the public and don't think a sticker on a small spec unit will suffice for that. I wonder what that will do to the class, but Toyota is also in development mode so don't they'd complain much.
It would likely help because well French and ACO goals but would they stay longer than Toyota, Kolles or SCG? |
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Rumor I saw from Autohebdo iirc said that Alpine is coming to hypercar after next year's lmp1 and an announcement is slated for LM weekend. Secondary to the Peugeot announcement.
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Pascal Vasselon has some opinions on grandfathered LMP1.
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...ore-it-starts/ |
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