Group C Chassis

[JAG]

How many XJR-9/12, XJR-10/11/16/17 chassis are there around at the moment. A number of cars seem to have been bought and sold in recent years, confusing the situation.

Have any of the chassis auctioned by TWR be sold to prospective Group C/GTP racers?

Also how many Group C/GTP Nissan and Toyota chassis are in provate hands.

I did see a DVD (BEST Motoring Interenational - Fugi) that had a feature on the Nissan Group C cars which showed a Nissan Museum with countless ex-works Group C cars lined up.

Finally how many Sauber Mercedes are in private hands. A C11 was bought by someone in the US from the factory. Is it possible to buy cars from the Mercedes factory. According to a book I have they seem to have every car built from around 1989 apart from two 1992 spec 3.5l cars that never raced, and are still owned by Sauber.

[MulsanneMike]

Gentilozzi's guys up in Michigan have the C11.

Many of the Group C Nissans are still in factory hands. Mike Gue has Agg's R90CK (From-A) and a Factory R90CK (1990 Le Mans pole car). The Factory R90C was acquired from the museum and he indicated attempts to acquire another were rebuffed.

I'd like to know where the Dyson-Porsche 962DR2 has gone. The car has disappeared from the scene. I saw it at the 1997 Daytona Historics but never again and the guys in HSR aren't sure where it has gone either (nor Dave Klymm whose Fabcar has worked on it recently '02).

[pirenzo]

I seem to remember 2 or 3 Group C Mercs at Goodwood one year (three years ago i think)

[JAG]

Originally posted by pirenzo
I seem to remember 2 or 3 Group C Mercs at Goodwood one year (three years ago i think)

They were from the Mercedes factory. They have at least a dozen chassis from 1989-91.

With the TWR Jaguars the first Le Mans and World Championship winning cars went to the Jaguar museum while TWR retained the 1988 WC and 1990 LM winners. These cars were auctioned off recently.

1985 XJR-6 185
1987 XJR-8 297
1988 IMSA XJR-9 388
1988 Group C XJR-9 288. Re-numbered to 1090
1990 XJR-12LM 190
1991 XJR-14 791
1991 XJR-12 891

From TWR Jaguar Prototype Racers by Leslie Thurston

There are six C9 chassis, 5 C11 chassis and 5 C291 chassis.

Two 1992 C293 chassis are retained by Sauber.

[MulsanneMike]

Originally posted by MulsanneMike
The Factory R90C was acquired from the museum and he indicated attempts to acquire another were rebuffed.

Opps, meant to read that Gue's Factory R90CK was acquired from the museum

[JAG]

What happened to those IMSA Mazdas and Toyotas?

[MulsanneMike]

AAR built up a third Eagle MkIII from spares as chassis' 1 & 2 are with the museum presumably so too the Eagle MkIIs. As for the IMSA Mazdas, again, I beleive they are in Japan. Considering only a handful of 4-rotor engines were ever built (6-8, Downing has a large % of those for his former WSC DLY Kudzu, rest are in cars in museums), I very much doubt that we will ever see a IMSA or Group C 4-rotor Mazda in private hands.

[gert]

Originally posted by JAG

1985 XJR-6 185
1987 XJR-8 297
1988 IMSA XJR-9 388
1988 Group C XJR-9 288. Re-numbered to 1090
1990 XJR-12LM 190
1991 XJR-14 791
1991 XJR-12 891

Isn't it true that some of the XJR-cars were upgraded to a new specification?
i.e. a XJR-8 becoming a XJR-9 or so?

I think I read that somewhere, but can't remember where though

[JAG]

Some where, not all.

I think one of the original 1985/6 XJR-6 chassis actually raced as an upgraded XJR-12 in 1990 or 1991 at Le Mans!

[egor]

Have a look here www.classicscars.com/chassis/jaguar.htm
for Jaguar chassis numbers.

[24_heures]

There are at least the following Jags known or racing in private hands in Europe:

1 x XJR-5
2 x XJR-6
3 x XJR-10
2 x XJR-11
3 x XJR-12
1 x XJR-16
1 x XJR-17

I believe Gentilozzi's Sauber-Mercedes C11 is chassis 05 and was owned by Neil Hadfield before Mike Lauer ran it with HSR.

Charlie Agg's car Nissan R90CK is chassis 07. He claims it was also 06, the 1990 LM pole car. The other car with Mike Gue is 01.

Intersting to learn about the C292. I never knew it existed. Great site by the way Mike.

[rdjones]

Isn't the 1990 winning Jaguar in the Le Mans museum or it was 2 years ago. Also in the museum was the 1991 winning Mazda 787B and Peugoet 905 from either 1992 or 93, which again I think was a race winner.

[JAG]

Originally posted by rdjones
Isn't the 1990 winning Jaguar in the Le Mans museum or it was 2 years ago. Also in the museum was the 1991 winning Mazda 787B and Peugoet 905 from either 1992 or 93, which again I think was a race winner.

They are loaned from there owners/manufactuers though.

[MulsanneMike]

Originally posted by 24_heures

Charlie Agg's car Nissan R90CK is chassis 07. He claims it was also 06, the 1990 LM pole car. The other car with Mike Gue is 01.

It was Gue who told me that their second car is the '90 Pole car. He never indicated to me that Agg's car (From A) was the Pole car....

[marcush.]

there´s someone advertising Mazda LeMans works engine stuff here in Germany for quite a while now...if this is 3-rotor or 4 rotor I do not rmember ,but it were complete engines and parts.could look to find the advert if someone cares.

[marcush.]

ah compony name was StileAuto or something like that,if I remember correctly.

[24_heures]

It's all a little confusing!!!

1990 LM Yearbook and Time & Two Seats have the pole car as chassis 03. I would also be surprised if the factory let this piece of history go. As I understand it, the 5 chassis were 01-05. No 06 or 07 present!

[24_heures]

Mazda 757-104 was being hawked around last year. Is it that car?

[egor]

There is a Jag at Beaulieu aswell, well it was there a couple of years ago.

[24_heures]

Didn't know about the one at Beaulieu. Which one was it? I guess it could have been on loan, as I believe some of the other exhibits there are. Anyone know if it's still there?