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Old 18 Nov 2006, 11:50 (Ref:1769082)   #1
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Will there come a time when there will be not more rule change?

I am just curious to know what will happen if FIA decided to stop changing the Rules & Regulations cars and tyres. Over the years,

Q1) Will the smaller teams closes the gap on the front runner?
Q2) Will F1 be less or more exciting in terms of motor-racing?
Q3) Will car manufacturers leave the formula because there is a lack of technological development?
Q4) Will there come a time when a car's aerodynamic will reach its optimal efficiency and there will be nothing left to develop?

Q5) Can F1 survive?
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Old 18 Nov 2006, 18:48 (Ref:1769208)   #2
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I am just curious to know what will happen if FIA decided to stop changing the Rules & Regulations cars and tyres. Over the years,

Q1) Will the smaller teams closes the gap on the front runner?
Q2) Will F1 be less or more exciting in terms of motor-racing?
Q3) Will car manufacturers leave the formula because there is a lack of technological development?
Q4) Will there come a time when a car's aerodynamic will reach its optimal efficiency and there will be nothing left to develop?

Q5) Can F1 survive?
A1) Normally when there is rule stability the smaller teams catch up to the bigger teams.
A2)If all the teams are closer together there should be better racing.
A3)Yes!
A4)It all depends on how much money you're prepared to spend on that last one thousandth of a second!
A5)F1 will survive so long as Max (or whoever) keeps ****ing about with the rules.
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Old 18 Nov 2006, 19:31 (Ref:1769219)   #3
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Of course if you simplify the rules they will get changed less often.So if the only rules we had were for example:A car,a fixed amount of fuel and a fixed length of race,they wouldn't be changed at all.But it would become very expensive!
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Old 19 Nov 2006, 00:29 (Ref:1769338)   #4
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Of course if you simplify the rules they will get changed less often.So if the only rules we had were for example:A car,a fixed amount of fuel and a fixed length of race,they wouldn't be changed at all.But it would become very expensive!
Not so much as simplifying the rules, but rather stop tweaking the rules for political reasons. e.g. one tyre rules, V10 to V8, going back to slick in 2008, new aero etc?

My point here is that

1) if they keep fooling around with the rules every season, the smallers teams will always be the one that is playing catch up and only bigs teams will be the one that will gain most.

2) Is FIA doing this to ensure that F1 will stil be the pinnicle of motorsport because team has to spend so much money on "unncessary" development just to satisfy the rules.
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Old 19 Nov 2006, 17:42 (Ref:1769717)   #5
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If you want evolution, then the rules must change from time to time, to adequate or to enhance the new technologies.
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Old 19 Nov 2006, 18:52 (Ref:1769754)   #6
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I am just curious to know what will happen if FIA decided to stop changing the Rules & Regulations cars and tyres. Over the years,

Q1) Will the smaller teams closes the gap on the front runner?
No, there will always be a gap between the larger, well-funded teams and the teams on a shoestring-ish budget. Although the plight of Toyota currently proves that just chucking money at the problem doesn't always help...

I think the only thing that does change the gap is when there are things like a control tyre.

[/quote]Q2) Will F1 be less or more exciting in terms of motor-racing?[/quote]

F1 seems to be more exciting when conditions are variable. History has shown that passing hasn't always been that easy, but today on some tracks it's downright impossible.

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Q3) Will car manufacturers leave the formula because there is a lack of technological development?
Manufacturers are in F1 primarily for two reason - car sales and technology. If the quest for technological breakthroughs are hampered by rules, then it's left to the first option. And if you are performing badly, ala Jaguar, then they will most likely cut and run.

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Q4) Will there come a time when a car's aerodynamic will reach its optimal efficiency and there will be nothing left to develop?
Probably, but then designers and technicians will find something else to develop and enhance.

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Q5) Can F1 survive?
It has for nearly 60 years now and it certainly hasn't always been this healthy but manager to survive.
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 20:57 (Ref:1771759)   #7
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F1 changes year-by-year because of the differing demands of the consumer (Watcher) which is just basically: "Make this show more exciting".

Although the second half of this year (Hungary onwards) HAS been very exciting and long may it continue!
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F1 changes year-by-year because of the differing demands of the consumer (Watcher) which is just basically: "Make this show more exciting".

Although the second half of this year (Hungary onwards) HAS been very exciting and long may it continue!
I don't think F1 panders to the fans as much as other series do.In fact most of the regulations positively kill excitement.And the FIA aren't suddenly going to say "next year you will not be allowed to use aerodynamics of any kind".If they did that,most of the teams would be stuck with some rather large "White Elephants".
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F1 is exciting. The fact is that there are a lot more exciting things than F1, so you end up wanting more. If you pick up F1 for a good entertainment in a sunday for 3 hours in 2 or 4 weeks, it will hardly be considered "very exciting". Mix it with other exciting distractions and you won't bother to have the rules changed...
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Q4) Will there come a time when a car's aerodynamic will reach its optimal efficiency and there will be nothing left to develop?
The problem with aerodynamics that as air is a constant (not counting turbulent air of another car) then there is always going to be an optimum shape that moves through it better than any other, and over time all cars will eventaully develop this shape (thats why many F1 cars look similar)
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 18:26 (Ref:1773418)   #11
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The problem with aerodynamics that as air is a constant (not counting turbulent air of another car) then there is always going to be an optimum shape that moves through it better than any other, and over time all cars will eventaully develop this shape (thats why many F1 cars look similar)
the problem about tweaking the rule is that we will never get a chance to know what it the optimal efficiency
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the problem about tweaking the rule is that we will never get a chance to know what it the optimal efficiency
Why do we need to know that?

Surely it's more interesting (and innovative) to have a completely new challenge,rather than trying to extracate the last one thousandth of a second over a three year period from your wind tunnel!
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Q1) Will the smaller teams closes the gap on the front runner?
Undoubtedly yes - Williams will come back, Red Bull will advance, Renault and Ferrari will fade. Such as the ebb and flow of F1 over the years. That won't change.

Q2) Will F1 be less or more exciting in terms of motor-racing?
Currently, I find F1's excitement levels to be roughly on a par with speed chess or watching paint dry. So yes (please god!)

Q3) Will car manufacturers leave the formula because there is a lack of technological development?
No - they'll drive the techie development as far as they can. Anything else would mean a virtual one-make formula and I don't believe F1 will become that any time soon.

Q4) Will there come a time when a car's aerodynamic will reach its optimal efficiency and there will be nothing left to develop?
Yes - and surely we can't be far away with all the flappy nonsense that's on current cars.

Q5) Can F1 survive?
Yes - but probably not the F1 we know today. The most important formula will always be F1 like it was when they 1500bhp grenade engines and turbochargers. It's a different formula but it's still F1.
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I am just curious to know what will happen if FIA decided to stop changing the Rules & Regulations cars and tyres. Over the years,

Q1) Will the smaller teams closes the gap on the front runner?
Q2) Will F1 be less or more exciting in terms of motor-racing?
Q3) Will car manufacturers leave the formula because there is a lack of technological development?
Q4) Will there come a time when a car's aerodynamic will reach its optimal efficiency and there will be nothing left to develop?

Q5) Can F1 survive?
A1) The smallest teams are closer to the front than they have ever been.
A2) our question is unclear, but presuming you mean "if F1 had constant rules would F1 get more exciting"? The answer is probably no or it is independent.
A3) It isn't the main reason they are there!
A4) No.
Q5) Yes.

On average the best team (and better funded teams) will win. However this average can show itself in two ways:
1) Consistent average; The best team is always a tenth or two ahead of the next, etc...
2) Results average; Every team wins, but the best team wins more often.

Rules stability tends to lead to 1. Rule changes tends to lead to 2:
1) Rules stability. The lesser teams catch up, but the better teams always have resource to push further. The gaps close, but the it is unlikely the order changes dramatically.
2) Rule changes. It is more likely the better teams get it right straight out of the box, but occasionally the lesser team comes up with better solution. Then the longer the rules stay constant the more likely it is the better resourced teams will overtake them.

Change the rules every year I say and don't announce them until November. That also give you a technical challenge.
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2) Is FIA doing this to ensure that F1 will stil be the pinnicle of motorsport because team has to spend so much money on "unncessary" development just to satisfy the rules.
No. They are not doing it to make them spend money. How does an engine freeze agree with this philosophy?

Besdie temas will spend what they have because spending will always help; it is just diminishing returns. (Yes I know the Toyota example, that still doesn't mean that generally spending doesn't help!)
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