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Old 29 Jul 2020, 15:17 (Ref:3991410)   #211
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But still, the main reason paper magazines are losing traction has nothing to do with supermarket policies and providers... And that's unfortunate, as I do like my physical press. Let's enjoy them while they haven't gone the way of the dodo!
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Old 30 Jul 2020, 10:21 (Ref:3991602)   #212
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Not sure it is that simple, they went that way because they had to for various reasons, pressure from the publisher, style, and the general move of niche magazines from pure reading to almost lifestyle choices. Look at an Autosport form the 80's full of reading, less pictures, more content. Now it is basically an LAT picture fest, less content. Its not a magazine, it's a catalogue.

For me, now they are mostly far too expensive for the reading material contained within, far too flashy and full of stuff I dont want to read. I stopped buying magazines about 10 years ago as a result.

And I miss the old days, but from what I have seen motoring wise I made a wise choice!
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Old 30 Jul 2020, 12:11 (Ref:3991632)   #213
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I am enjoying the 70th Anniversary trips they are doing to old magazines at the back of the current magazines. Quite interesting. And today's is edited by DC
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Old 30 Jul 2020, 15:49 (Ref:3991674)   #214
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For me, now they are mostly far too expensive for the reading material contained within, far too flashy and full of stuff I dont want to read. I stopped buying magazines about 10 years ago as a result.

And I miss the old days, but from what I have seen motoring wise I made a wise choice![/QUOTE]

I'm much the same, the only magazine I still subscribe to is Motorsport, but even that winds me up, with several pages devoted to watches every month.
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Old 3 Aug 2020, 08:56 (Ref:3992646)   #215
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Look at an Autosport form the 80's full of reading, less pictures, more content. Now it is basically an LAT picture fest, less content. Its not a magazine, it's a catalogue.
I tend to avoid getting into debate about Autosport for obvious reasons but this is just so completely inaccurate, it needs to be called out. You have no idea of the amount of work which goes into producing the mag, and you clearly don't actually read it, as that bald final statement makes clear.
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Old 4 Aug 2020, 15:17 (Ref:3992950)   #216
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I read Motoring News from about being 14, having had my father's MS to learn to read with previously. I stopped MSN as it became ten years ago. I never really enjoyed AS as it was more racing than rallying and speed events. The thing is that you get so out of touch. I looked at the British GTs on Sunday and only saw one name I recognised.
I know MSN got sold off but has it survived?
It's the national and club events that interest me, the GPs etc you can watch or you get the reports on Motor Sport Monday.
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Old 4 Aug 2020, 19:05 (Ref:3992990)   #217
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John, no I do not read it and I have worked in the print media before so know full well what it takes to put magazines together both weekly and monthly, so please be careful accusing people of things you think you know about, when perhaps you may not know about the person you are accusing.

I stopped reading and buying it 20 odd years ago, it is far too expensive for what is basically processed press releases most of the time, race reports that are not very interesting, and clutter. it is not difficult to make, especially now with emails etc and the ability to send copy electronically, when I was involved all pictures were scanned, sent by courier until the deadline, all copy was just about word processed on yonk old PC's using Apple programs that did not work properly, press day was insane, 12 hours usually, often more, and then laying out the copy for the week ahead, it is not hard, it is planning, awareness and getting the right people doing their jobs, like any other company. Most of it is written by contributors, even more so now, all that is done by the staff is layout, bits of copy and direction etc ideas. Not the writing as much as they once did.

If you think it is worth the price, fair enough, but because you do there will always be people who disagree just as strongly. but dont try and make journos out to be martyrs or the like, I know a few of them and the opposite it true.
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Old 5 Aug 2020, 06:56 (Ref:3993060)   #218
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I know MSN got sold off but has it survived?
Yes, bought by Kelsey Media and continued publishing through the enforced break from competition.
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Old 5 Aug 2020, 13:16 (Ref:3993130)   #219
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John, no I do not read it and I have worked in the print media before so know full well what it takes to put magazines together both weekly and monthly, so please be careful accusing people of things you think you know about, when perhaps you may not know about the person you are accusing.

I stopped reading and buying it 20 odd years ago, it is far too expensive for what is basically processed press releases most of the time, race reports that are not very interesting, and clutter. it is not difficult to make, especially now with emails etc and the ability to send copy electronically, when I was involved all pictures were scanned, sent by courier until the deadline, all copy was just about word processed on yonk old PC's using Apple programs that did not work properly, press day was insane, 12 hours usually, often more, and then laying out the copy for the week ahead, it is not hard, it is planning, awareness and getting the right people doing their jobs, like any other company. Most of it is written by contributors, even more so now, all that is done by the staff is layout, bits of copy and direction etc ideas. Not the writing as much as they once did.

If you think it is worth the price, fair enough, but because you do there will always be people who disagree just as strongly. but dont try and make journos out to be martyrs or the like, I know a few of them and the opposite it true.
And much of this, as far as Autosport is concerned, is also incorrect, so I adhere to what I said. I cannot comment on other mags, nor would I presume to do so. However, I don't need to know who you are or what you have done, to be able to say that Autosport is neither an LAT pic fest, nor a catalogue, and since you admit that you don't even read it, and haven't done for 20 years, you're clearly not in a position to offer any assessment, or indeed some of the embellishments that you have now so kindly proffered. I therefore thank you for giving me the opportunity to correct you.
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 15:03 (Ref:3993352)   #220
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This is not a points scoring exercise chap, it is you thinking you are right when you have not to my knowledge worked in the industry as I have.

Simply put the magazine has gone from being largely editorial in the most part in the 80's to being far more of a tabletop style magazine as most did over the years, far more arty pictures, far more adverts, far less content. Which is why I never buy magazines anymore, they are a waste of paper in the most part.

I am not saying it is all bad. Nor am I saying I have never looked at or read a copy in the last few years, when I have I have found it to be hugely short on content, large on pictures (hence the LAT jibe) and very short on pages fr something that weekly was asking nearly as much as a monthly. The writing is fine, the news gathering too, that is what journalists do.

If you think that is great, more fool you, I feel for your other decisions in life lol!
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 17:10 (Ref:3993372)   #221
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OK, enough already. John knows quite a lot about this particular publication and many of us understand his support for it. Whether he or you are correct is a matter of your opinion.

As it happens I do think it has lost something but I also know the personnel are working their buns off to produce a weekly publication, which many folks are still buying.
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The problem is that paper publications are like the high street. They can fight but they will die just like the other dinosaurs.

The current McLaren-centred mag will be no exception, especially since it managed to lose its identity about 15/20 years ago.

The race reports add little. They used to be great when you either couldn’t see it, or you had to rely on dear old Muddly Talker’s wild ramblings, but now you can get 100% information and coverage from home and watch pretty much any series worldwide if you want to.

I’m a subscriber but couldn’t tell you the last time I even opened the virtual version of the mag, let alone read it in detail.

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My life choices have been, with one or two exceptions OK as I approach 71. I never said the mag was great, merely that opinions need to be based on fact. 3.99 buys a pint (in some places!). I have no doubt that Autosport in print form will ultimately go the way of most printed publications in favour of the Internet as peebee rightly says although a quick flick through of the pages of recent issues, doesn't seem to bear out the McLaren-centred description.

Anyway, that is enough from me and I'll leave it there.
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You might be right about McLaren John. It turned me right off, but maybe they’ve toned it down since.
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