Tech Issue Changing DRS to a "Push to Pass" system?

stripedcat · 1 Jul 2011, 16:37 (Ref:2909469)

I was listening to the Motorsport Magazine podcast last night and on that Karun Chandok mentioned that there had been discussions about changing DRS to a "Push to Pass" system similar to the one used in Indy cars, still with the adjustable wing on the DRS, though. What are people's opinions on this? I know a lot of people have a problem with DRS as the leading car is at a distinct disadvantage. At least this way it evens it up a bit, plus giving it a limited number of uses.

Marbot · 1 Jul 2011, 16:45 (Ref:2909477)

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Originally Posted by stripedcat

I was listening to the Motorsport Magazine podcast last night and on that Karun Chandok mentioned that there had been discussions about changing DRS to a "Push to Pass" system similar to the one used in Indy cars, still with the adjustable wing on the DRS, though. What are people's opinions on this? I know a lot of people have a problem with DRS as the leading car is at a distinct disadvantage. At least this way it evens it up a bit, plus giving it a limited number of uses.

Linked to the KERS ?

fourWheelDrift · 1 Jul 2011, 16:58 (Ref:2909485)

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Originally Posted by stripedcat

I was listening to the Motorsport Magazine podcast last night and on that Karun Chandok mentioned that there had been discussions about changing DRS to a "Push to Pass" system similar to the one used in Indy cars, still with the adjustable wing on the DRS, though. What are people's opinions on this? I know a lot of people have a problem with DRS as the leading car is at a distinct disadvantage. At least this way it evens it up a bit, plus giving it a limited number of uses.

Push to pass is the point at which motorsport cease to be a sport and becomes a game. Please No.

Marbot · 1 Jul 2011, 17:20 (Ref:2909501)

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Push to pass is the point at which motorsport cease to be a sport and becomes a game. Please No.

It's just another element of strategy IMO.

**Born Racer** · 1 Jul 2011, 17:23 (Ref:2909503)

My opinion is that push-to-pass is nonsense. If everyone has it, it will be the same anyway. The good thing about DRS is at least it counteracts the OTT effect of aero.

Marbot · 1 Jul 2011, 17:31 (Ref:2909508)

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My opinion is that push-to-pass is nonsense. If everyone has it, it will be the same anyway.

Not exactly. You have limited use of it during any race. Some use it sparingly, and others use it all up in just a few laps. When it's all gone........

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The good thing about DRS is at least it counteracts the OTT effect of aero.

But it's still, technically, a 'Push to pass' system. Which, like the 'push to pass' system, doesn't always guarantee an overtake. But it does make you go faster when 'you' want to go faster.

**Born Racer** · 1 Jul 2011, 17:39 (Ref:2909516)

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Not exactly. You have limited use of it during any race. Some use it sparingly, and others use it all up in just a few laps. When it's all gone........

But it's still, technically, a 'Push to pass' system. Which, like the 'push to pass' system, doesn't always guarantee an overtake. But it does make you go faster when 'you' want to go faster.

I see that there is a strategic element to it, but nonetheless it is 'false'. Why can't we just have drivers overtaking because of a good move in cars that are capable of overtaking?

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Push to pass is the point at which motorsport cease to be a sport and becomes a game. Please No.

It's like something out of a video game.

Marbot · 1 Jul 2011, 17:52 (Ref:2909522)

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I see that there is a strategic element to it, but nonetheless it is 'false'. Why can't we just have drivers overtaking because of a good move in cars that are capable of overtaking?

And that's the rub isn't it, "cars that are capable of overtaking".

F1 has come such a long way, performance-wise, with aerodynamics that to remove what is necessary for the 'cars to be able to overtake', would mean such a radical increase in lap times, that even 1500 bhp wouldn't put a dent in it!

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It's like something out of a video game.

Strangely enough, it's used to good effect in many open wheel, and closed wheel series.

It used to be that back in the turbo era, drivers used to turn up their turbo boost to overtake the car in front. They couldn't use it all of the time because of limits on fuel and reliability. A similar thing still happens in F1 to this day.

ChrisPage · 1 Jul 2011, 17:55 (Ref:2909523)

Is DRS not a 'push to pass' system anyway?

Marbot · 1 Jul 2011, 17:58 (Ref:2909526)

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Is DRS not a 'push to pass' system anyway?

Indeed it is. But DRS doesn't shout its intentions so loudly.

Maybe 'Sport Button' would be more relevant to road car users.

bravo · 1 Jul 2011, 20:03 (Ref:2909586)

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Indeed it is. But DRS doesn't shout its intentions so loudly.

Maybe 'Sport Button' would be more relevant to road car users.

My car had a 'girly super power steering' button instead of the 'sport button'. Maybe that would be of more use to some of the drivers - especially around Monaco?

wnut · 1 Jul 2011, 23:38 (Ref:2909656)

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Originally Posted by ChrisPage

Is DRS not a 'push to pass' system anyway?

Agreed DRS is a push to pass.
The way I look at it, is it provides compensation for wake turbulence, so it more or less evens out a disadvantage.
It would be difficult for any push to pass to provide the instant horsepower of DRS, and DRS seems to be working well and providing good racing.
The DRS also makes a challenge when the drivers have to readjust as the downforce is reintroduced.
If you want better racing get rid of a whole bunch of aero.

DRS is the ultimate and relatively simple push to pass, why mess with it?

Marbot · 2 Jul 2011, 00:33 (Ref:2909667)

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DRS is the ultimate and relatively simple push to pass, why mess with it?

Indeed. And the great thing about it is that they actually use less fuel to faster!

JeremySmith · 2 Jul 2011, 00:54 (Ref:2909673)

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Indeed. And the great thing about it is that they actually use less fuel to faster!

Good and it goes up and down....

The wing for crying out loud!

wnut · 2 Jul 2011, 00:57 (Ref:2909675)

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Good and it goes up and down....

The wing for crying out loud!

The visual is very important i'll have you know!

gttouring · 4 Jul 2011, 17:03 (Ref:2918058)

They. Should incorporate a front element links to the DRS..faster and more potential failures...hmm.

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