Which point of the FIA 9 point plan do you consider the worst?

Valve Bounce · 10 Oct 2002, 12:31 (Ref:400217)

PLease read the thread regarding the FIA 9 point plan before voting. This coupled with the other poll is intended to be the results of a brainstorming session.

woodbine · 10 Oct 2002, 12:38 (Ref:400225)

Definitely driver swapping. This is supposed to be a sport not a circus

Red · 10 Oct 2002, 12:41 (Ref:400228)

I second that.

Wrex · 10 Oct 2002, 12:42 (Ref:400229)

This sucks - I want 6 votes

Tristan · 10 Oct 2002, 13:01 (Ref:400257)

Come on, driver swapping is NONSENSE. Ignore it. Cancell it from your minds.

I vote agg. qually purely because I don't hink it'll get many votes DESPITE the fact it's rubbish.

R · 10 Oct 2002, 13:05 (Ref:400264)

Surely the success ballast is worse than any of the other points.

ASCII Man · 10 Oct 2002, 14:08 (Ref:400326)

Nope, the first one is the worst...

alchemy · 10 Oct 2002, 14:11 (Ref:400330)

Well…… I’d swap Ralf for his wife anytime!

Neil C · 10 Oct 2002, 14:42 (Ref:400359)

R has the right answer. Success ballast is the opposite of racing. It makes all of the other points moot. It makes the concept of racing moot. If you want to penalize success, a much cleaner way would be thus:

Reward Failure through a revised points grid.

1st place...3 pts
2nd place...3 pts
3rd.........3 pts
4th.........3 pts
5th.........3 pts
6th.........3 pts
7th.........3 pts
8th.........3 pts
9th.........3 pts
10th........3 pts
11th........3 pts
12th........3 pts
13..........3 pts

the remaining places would be awarded 3 pts each. That's my Modest Proposal.

freud · 10 Oct 2002, 14:48 (Ref:400362)

Its good to see FIA, Bernie, Max & Co. finally thinking of the 'fans'...
Success ballast & driver swapping are complete BS ,btw.

Fluffster · 10 Oct 2002, 15:43 (Ref:400413)

Quote:

Originally posted by freud
Its good to see FIA, Bernie, Max & Co. finally thinking of the 'fans'...

Well, of course we can't be sure if they're trying to get racing fans back or trying to attract a whole new crowd...

freud · 10 Oct 2002, 15:50 (Ref:400422)

Yeah.. though at least we hear the word 'fans' coming out of their mouths...

EERO · 10 Oct 2002, 17:58 (Ref:400520)

Oh let's see, which of these brilliant proposals is truley heinous??????

I guess Tristan is right (that's a first) Swapping is so absurd. It has to be ballast.

rdjones · 10 Oct 2002, 18:42 (Ref:400565)

I voted for Aggregated qualifying, but the best of the lot id driver swaping, now TGP in Minardi that would be fun.......

Don K · 10 Oct 2002, 20:21 (Ref:400631)

I voted for aerodynamic freeze.

It would be dangerous, because at every race some of the cars would be having an inappropriate aerodynamic setting.

And it would make the season less interesting, because the team that would have the best overall setting at the start of the season, would keep its advantage for at least half of the season.

Valve Bounce · 11 Oct 2002, 10:08 (Ref:401019)

PLease keep voting, guys. We have results that can be regarded as a great brainstoming session. This is not about what you think is stupid - it's about compiling a record of what is stupid.

Tristan · 11 Oct 2002, 13:49 (Ref:401160)

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEERO youslimylittle....

Just a reminder to NOT VOTE FOR DRIVER SWAPPING. IGNORE IT. It's lies.

Rennen · 11 Oct 2002, 14:32 (Ref:401165)

It's just one of BE's wind ups!...but the driver swapping one made me think...What if!...A team could only run the same driver for say 6 races...(any six)...this would allow the test drivers to have a race as well.

Think about the massive interest created when Ant Davidson subbed for Yoong at Hungry...(and that was in a car only capable of running last) Burti or Badoer in Schumacher or Barrachello's car...great! Pizzonia in Ralf's... Wurz or Turner in DC's etc.

This would help F3000 drivers like Pizzonia, Pantano etc to be a Grand Prix driver... and F3 drivers like Kerr, Paffett etc get a chance to do some F1 testing...earn some money...and learn F1 cars...then be in a situation after so many Kilometers of testing to race.

Instead of seeing the same old boring F1 drivers 'hogging' it and earning all the money...it would also give them a break. Teams would be able to negotiate with drivers by the race, differant rates based on their experience.

Racing gave Anthony a fresh approach to his testing role as testing is so differant in whats required by the engineers.

As regards the technical issues...F1 should be the ultimate in car technology and doesn't need any more artificial restrictions or handicaps.

Liz · 11 Oct 2002, 16:02 (Ref:401192)

I think the driver swapping is great, especially if he's not allowed to bring any of his crew with him. That will quickly show (1) if it's the driver or the car; and (2) the value of a man being able to move into a team and get along with everyone and work with them without Mommy and Daddy standing there with a gun to be sure Baby is treated "fairly" and Baby's teammate is not. Seriously, it would also show who knows how to set up a car and who just gets in and drives.

I voted for ballast because I remember when our grade school abolished accelerated classes for the very intelligent on the basis that "it's not fair to reward people just because they are smart". Everyone's grades went down and the school lost money because they were no longer getting good results on state assessments. So punishing success in F1 would mean that there would be no incentive to excel and the racing would get even more boring than it is now.

Mania · 11 Oct 2002, 16:34 (Ref:401227)

I think all those so-called points are rubbish, with the exception of Testing restrictions. I dont have a problem with them limiting testing but everythink else..especially the driver swapping stuff is nonsense.Why would a BMW driver want to go drive a Minardi..or a Ferrari driver get behind the wheel of a lousy Jordan?

If I want to laugh..Ill go to the circus, thank you very much.

Bernie and Max are as close to senile as ever. Someone should put them out of their misery before they demolish this sport.

Valve Bounce · 12 Oct 2002, 02:37 (Ref:401651)

OK,, I just hope you voted

Valve

Sato san · 12 Oct 2002, 02:56 (Ref:401660)

well...i think Max lives in cuckoo land most of the time as to what the fans really want to see , and Bernie just says silly things to get F1 more attention in the press. What a pair !

RWC · 12 Oct 2002, 07:47 (Ref:401838)

Ballast is totally against racing.
Driver swapping though is an interesting option.I LIKE IT!!!!!!

Armco Bender · 12 Oct 2002, 08:09 (Ref:401850)

All 9 are

stupid.The FIA think they can blow off the fans with those stupid ideas??.Like any team are going to swap their drivers or a few piddling car changes will make the racing better,is the FIA on the same planet we are???:confused:

Total-F1 · 12 Oct 2002, 21:11 (Ref:402232)

The whole shebang is a complete load of sweaty ********.

A smoke screen, if you will. Watch them shift in a load of new regs through the back door while they're all fighting over these.

The solutions are bloody simple -

1. Smaller wings, tighter controls on diffuser
2. No grooves.
3. Steel disc brakes.
4. Changing of travel subsidies to top 6.
5. No testing, Friday free track day.

View Poll Results: Which point of the FIA 9 point plan do you consider the worst?
Driver swapping	19	48.72%
Aggregated qualifying	2	5.13%
Bespoke tyres	0	0%
Success ballast for drivers	11	28.21%
Testing restrictions	3	7.69%
Aerodynamic freeze	1	2.56%
Long Life engines	1	2.56%
Long Life gearboxes	0	0%
Standardised parts including ECU's	2	5.13%
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