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Old 12 Sep 2022, 12:49 (Ref:4125820)   #176
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Barrio (Toyota) won the sunday TC2000 race after Canapino (Chevrolet) had some troubles with aparent oil (From Bustos Barrio's Fluence engine blowing up) in the track, it was a kinda boring race if not for that.

BUT the news (Well, its from Maxima Velocidad's Sciciliano, so "news" is used kinda looselly here) its that Toyota Argentina could be evaluating its works teams programmes, with only TC (Coiro-Dole) and TCR South America (TGRA) confirmed as fully works teams for 2023, and only Rossi, Santero and Barrio confirmed as official drivers.

There will be, if this going through, "semi-oficial" teams for other categories with TGR teams, that puts the TC2000 programme (Toyota's biggest at the moment) in a dubious position, especially since the JP Carrera team could be building a Camry for Barrio to use on TC Mouras (a Pre-requisite for running on TC) and the Mouras (with the TCPK) usually races on the same weekend as the TC2000.

No words on TCPK Werner-Jakos* (Ran by Coiro-Dole, same as TC), TRV8** Azar-Reutemann, (ran by TGRA proper under Ramonda, same as TC2000) or TNC3 Santero, who will continue with TGR-Ar (Ran by someone, it was Bessone last year, this year im not sure who is on charge) yet
*I'll asume he will continue with the Camry on TC, but on the Coiro-Dole side of the team.
** Should be V8 next year

Another edit to add: Azar is the reigning TR Champion (and points leader on the current year) and Santero is the reigning TNC3 Champion (With kinda a faint chance of repeating, but it'll be hard)
The TCPK team, on the other hand, had a nice fight with Gianini for the tittle, but both pilots lost by a hair.
So far, these last years were good for the Toyota teams, aside from the TC2000-Rossi debacle

That said, take those news for what they're worth, not only because MV it's a lot of smoke, but because nothing is final on the TGR side.

And, talking about smoke, to the rumors of the TC travelling to Uruguay (which kinda calmed now), now we must add the intention of going to Brazil for 2023

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The Turismo Nacional will have a two-driver race at Buenos Aires on November 6.

Notable guests include Agustin Canapino, Mariano Werner, Juan Manuel Silva, Martin Basso, Bernardo Llaver, Matias Milla, Franco Girolami, Santiago Mangoni, Esteban Gini and Marcos Landa.
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TC2000 - standings after Alta Gracia:
  • 1. Leonel Pernia (Renault), 228 pts
  • 2. Agustin Canapino (Chevrolet), 203
  • 3. Bernardo Llaver (Chevrolet), 199
  • 4. Julián Santero (Toyota), 198
  • 5. Jorge Barrio (Toyota), 167
  • 6. Ignacio Montenegro (Renault), 164
  • 7. Facundo Ardusso (Honda), 145
  • 8. Matias Milla (Renault), 144
  • 9. Franco Vivian (Citroën), 94
  • 10. Fabián Yannantuoni (Honda), 78
Next round is the Buenos Aires 200 km on October 2.
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TC2000 - standings after Alta Gracia:
  • 1. Leonel Pernia (Renault), 228 pts
  • 2. Agustin Canapino (Chevrolet), 203
  • 3. Bernardo Llaver (Chevrolet), 199
  • 4. Julián Santero (Toyota), 198
  • 5. Jorge Barrio (Toyota), 167
  • 6. Ignacio Montenegro (Renault), 164
  • 7. Facundo Ardusso (Honda), 145
  • 8. Matias Milla (Renault), 144
  • 9. Franco Vivian (Citroën), 94
  • 10. Fabián Yannantuoni (Honda), 78
Next round is the Buenos Aires 200 km on October 2.
Those are the standings with all the races, but taking into acount the "discarded race" system in place for COVID reasons, which is the real championship, Santero is in second place 14 points behind Pernia and 2 points over Canapino

Yeah, the argentine championships need a manual for understanding them,
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Old 23 Sep 2022, 16:08 (Ref:4127007)   #180
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Turismo Carretera - San Luis race
  • 1. Mariano Werner (Ford)
  • 2. José Manuel Urcera (Torino)
  • 3. Santiago Mangoni (Chevrolet)
  • 4. Jonatan Castellano (Dodge)
  • 5. Esteban Gini (Torino)
  • 6. Juan Martin Trucco (Dodge)
Turismo Carretera - Gold Cup standings after San Luis:
  • 1. Agustin Canapino (Chevrolet), 55.5 pts
  • 2. José Manuel Urcera (Dodge), 50
  • 3. Mariano Werner (Ford), 47
  • 4. Santiago Mangoni (Chevrolet), 46.5
  • 5. Leonel Pernia (Torino), 39
  • 6. Esteban Gini (Torino), 35
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Old 25 Sep 2022, 13:54 (Ref:4127310)   #181
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Watching the TRV6 race (well the Series actually, it's good-adjacent), yesterday some drivers comented one of the weirdest rules ever, even for the already overcomplicated argentine champioonships:The dirvers that aren't doing great have acces to an improved aero-kit, that aparently is kinda a big deal on this circuit.
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This is the new TC2000 SUV for 2023
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Old 30 Sep 2022, 04:27 (Ref:4127903)   #183
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Old 30 Sep 2022, 11:53 (Ref:4127940)   #184
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They surely look interesting, but still "hype the fans" concepts, nothing actually confirmed from most of the brands (and even doubts from some, like Chevrolet and Toyota)

They (the TC2000) want the factories so much... specially Ford, unless Berta brings back the racing team, thats not gonna happen.
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This weekend it's the TC2000 Buenos Aires 200 km.

Guest drivers include Santiago Urrutia, Matias Rossi, Norberto Fontana and Christian Ledesma, Antonino Garcia and Carlos Javier Merlo.
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These cars look nice but a) have manufacturers interest to be officially involved? b) look the real cars as great as these computer graphics?
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Watched race 1 of Stock Car Pro at Santa Cruz. Andres Jakos finished 3rd.
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These cars look nice but a) have manufacturers interest to be officially involved? b) look the real cars as great as these computer graphics?
A: Only VW (or a team interested on building a VW) as of now, both Toyota (who may be restructuring their works teams with emphasis on TCR and TC) and Chevrolet (Actually don't want SUVs, they want the Cruze) expresed doubts.
B: At least they're grounded on reality, some of the TCPK concepts were trully wild, glad they went this route for the concepts, the final things will be close (the rims will be different, if i could bet, they'll contine using the EB 18's, nothing wrong with them)
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Aside from the Bs As. 200 Km. which is undoubtly the big event this weekend, the TCPK (and TCM/TCPM) will be out of La Plata, going to Rio IV, were they re-aconditioned the circuit to receive the Pick Ups, as an eventual step for next year receiving the TC.

Aside from the posibility of receiving the TC, the works on Rio IV are really important for the venue, that, even when they raced TR, TN and TC2000 (and recently TCR) the circuit looked awful.
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they want the Cruze
So it's confirmed they do not end production?
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So it's confirmed they do not end production?
That's Chevrolet Pro Racing and the Chevrolet Marketing stance.


Whatever the factory does with the model Is another thing altogether.
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A: Only VW (or a team interested on building a VW) as of now, both Toyota (who may be restructuring their works teams with emphasis on TCR and TC) and Chevrolet (Actually don't want SUVs, they want the Cruze) expresed doubts.
B: At least they're grounded on reality, some of the TCPK concepts were trully wild, glad they went this route for the concepts, the final things will be close (the rims will be different, if i could bet, they'll contine using the EB 18's, nothing wrong with them)
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Whatever the factory does with the model Is another thing altogether.
Personally SUVs are not my favorite vehicles, but I love the arrival of these because I understand that they are the best-selling cars.
But honestly, I don't want all SUVs in the TC2000, I would like to see the current vehicles mixed with SUVs and even allow class B cars like the Peugeot 208. Obviously using BOP to equalize them.
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Another 200km, another Pernia-Garcia victory, second in a row for the pair, third in a row for Pernia and fifth (!) in a row for the Fluence, talk about dominance in the event.

Santero-Rossi (Toyota) ended on 2nd, with a little rubbing between Santero and Canapino, that ended in damage for the Chevrolet driver

The third place went for Llaver-Urrutia (Chevrolet) with the later having a 100% podium effectivity for the event (5 podiums out of 5 200km's raced)

With these results, Pernia extends his lead on the championship over Santero and Llaver, while Canapino drops to 4th.


On the TCPK side, Agustin Martinez won his first race in Rio IV over his father Omar and Lambiris who came third.

A poor show from the TGR Hiluxes (Hilii?) with Werner (Who came 2nd in the championship) retiring and Jakos (4th before Rio IV) having an incident with Aguirre (Amarok, Then third in the championship), the clutch troubles for Gianini (Ranger) in the qualy made for a nice shuffle in the championship, still being led by Gianini but now with Agustin Martinez on 2nd and his father on virtual 3rd in the playoff (isn't officially in, but is on track for entering as one of "the last minute 3")
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Based on September sales:
The Fiat Cronos is the most sold and second the Peugeot 208, no SUV in top 3.


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The Toyota Corolla Cross is 5th, double the sales of the sedan.
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The Toyota Corolla Cross is 5th, double the sales of the sedan.
This is the TOP 22 OF THE BEST SELLING 0KM IN SEPTEMBER 2022:

1° Fiat Cronos, 2.970 unidades (31.789)

2° Peugeot 208, 2.454 (20.727)

3° Toyota Hilux, 2.160 (18.786)

4° Volkswagen Amarok, 1.892 (16.424)

5° Toyota Yaris, 1.421 (10.683)

6° Renault Kangoo II, 1.368 (10.518)

7° Ford Ranger, 1.334 ( 9.672)

8° Toyota Etios, 1.273 (13.374)

9° Toyota Corolla Cross, 1.091 (9.051)

10° Renault Sandero, 986 (7.389)

11° Volkswagen Polo, 924 (4.721)

12° Chevrolet Cruze, 827 (12.516)

13° Renault Stepway, 821 (4.849)

14° Renault Logan, 808 (5.265)

15° Volkswagen Taos, 791 (6.600)

16° Nissan Frontier, 741 (5.745)

17° Chevrolet Onix, 674 (4.635)

18° Jeep Renegade, 634 (4.482)

19° Citroën C4 Cactus, 583 (6.767)

20° Toyota Corolla, 582 (8.125)

21° Ford Territory, 506 (2.861)

22° Mercedes-Benz Sprinter, 502 (3.739)

Between parentheses the annual accumulated.
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The Corolla Cross is in 9th place and is the first SUV of the 9 announced the other day. The Chevrolet Cruze is 12th and the Tracker is not in the list.
Jorge Maiquez (Chevrolet) said that they will be continue with the Cruze.
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According to Carburando, Jorge Maiquez, Chevrolet TC2000 team's director, was just fired by GM.

Now there are doubts of Chevrolet future on TC2000
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On other news, there Is a wave of pink TC cars coming on behalf of the Breast Cáncer Awareness Month.

De Benedictis and Candela showed the new liveries.



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Hmm, the list I had seen at Motor1 is completely different.


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That said, sales should not be taken into account for this things, otherwise only Clios, Gols and Classis would've raced during big part of these past decades.

Is more of presence of said brand in a given market, like the Camry on TC, isn't there for the sales, but to promote Toyota as a brand.
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