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Old 29 Jun 2005, 21:37 (Ref:1343322)   #1
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Cost of marshalling F1 tests - Autosport article 16th June.

Catching up on my reading of Autosport (several weeks behind) I came across an article which says that the cost of providing marshalling and medical cover at a multi-day F1 test would be around £200,000 'according to senior F1 sources'. It goes on to say that 'the cost of such cover at this year's Australian GP was just over £400,000, but for testing it would be "less than half that"'

So this raises my curiosity as to how these two figures were arrived at.

First of all - correct me if I'm wrong - I believe that overalls and some food is provided in Australia, not sure about any subsistence allowances. In the UK I think they still pay £5 per day.

Does this means that they'd be expecting marshals to give their time equally cheaply (free!) for testing by these mega-buck operations? And why on earth would it be half the cost for testing than it was for the actual GP, presumably for the same cover? Spectator marshals not required?

I want to avoid GP bashing, but I'd love some clarification of my assumptions if anyone has the facts, and I wonder who'd be prepared to devote their time, holiday and travelling costs for this. And before you ask, no, I wouldn't.
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Old 29 Jun 2005, 21:38 (Ref:1343324)   #2
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You'd use local marshalls wouldnt you?
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Old 30 Jun 2005, 07:01 (Ref:1343522)   #3
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A lot less marshals than would be there for the race, no overalls to pay for are but two reasons. Dont forget that our £5 is a small part of what is allocated for marshals if other storys are to be believed.
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A lot less marshals than would be there for the race, no overalls to pay for are but two reasons. Dont forget that our £5 is a small part of what is allocated for marshals if other storys are to be believed.
The 'stories' of marshal fund allocation have rumbled for years and years. How come nothing has been turned to fact on this? It's one of the reasons I stopped doing the GP. Why is BMMC not attending to this as a priority?

I can get £5 from a VSCC event, where I am appreciated, and I know the club is not raking in the money. The £5 buys a nice breakfast/lunch meaning I'm happy and the club gets a marshal for the day.

For those of you doing the GP, enjoy the event! Me, I'll be elsewhere!
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Old 30 Jun 2005, 07:22 (Ref:1343535)   #5
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To be honest I don't think it's anything to do with the BMMC. The people you should be addressing are surely the FIA, MSA and BRDC?
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Old 30 Jun 2005, 07:33 (Ref:1343551)   #6
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To be honest I don't think it's anything to do with the BMMC. The people you should be addressing are surely the FIA, MSA and BRDC?
Isn't that what the BMMC is for - to represent us to bodies such as MSA,BRDC,FIA?
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Old 30 Jun 2005, 07:53 (Ref:1343561)   #7
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Old 30 Jun 2005, 09:45 (Ref:1343636)   #8
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Dead Squirrel - the VSCC now pays £6 and you will see some racing as well.
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Old 30 Jun 2005, 10:49 (Ref:1343690)   #9
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I reckon marshalls should be paid anyways, though realising why they arent. Certainly at the WC level, everyone working should be paid. They're professionals arent they?
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Old 30 Jun 2005, 10:58 (Ref:1343697)   #10
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We are in danger of comparing "Chalk & Cheese"
As far as Oulton Park is concerned ...marshals utilised on test days are not
volunteers. They are employed under contract and paid directly by the circuit owners and not by the organising club. It does not therefore automatically follow that
marshals would be expected to "volunteer" for F1 Test days they may be "employed".
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Old 30 Jun 2005, 11:14 (Ref:1343712)   #11
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I reckon marshalls should be paid anyways, though realising why they arent. Certainly at the WC level, everyone working should be paid. They're professionals arent they?

my mummy always said if i have nothing good to say then don't say it but i was never a good child.

I find these threads so boring and quite frankly tiresome. I marshal where i want when i want, be it 2CV's at Thruxton or F1 and Silverstone, I couldn't give a rats ass if i get paid, a fiver here and there is nice for a breakfast but ultimatly i do it because i love it.
We have had the "we should be paid"..."oh no we shouldn't"..."look behind you".... so many times, payment brings professionalism therfore it brings higher costs, tax man gets involved, silly people who have no interest but do it for the money arrive and suddenly accidents happen and lives are lost (extreme case i know but thats how i see it) all for the sake of wanting a few quid to somthing we have always done for free tickets in the best seats in the house.

**steps down from box**
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Old 30 Jun 2005, 11:33 (Ref:1343721)   #12
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i agree totally danccooke however i think the point is not whether we get anything or not for doing the GP (for instance) but the long persistent stories about how much the organisers get per marshal compared to what the organisers 'donate' to the marshals! there seems to be a big disparity and thats what annoys IMO
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Old 30 Jun 2005, 12:09 (Ref:1343752)   #13
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i agree totally danccooke however i think the point is not whether we get anything or not for doing the GP (for instance) but the long persistent stories about how much the organisers get per marshal compared to what the organisers 'donate' to the marshals! there seems to be a big disparity and thats what annoys IMO
That's my point as well! I don't marshal to get paid. I am ANNOYED that when I see Monaco marshals suited and booted in top line kit, and also many other GP's, UK marshals get such a raw deal.

I worked NASCAR several years ago, and whilst not getting 'paid', we did get handfulls of 'Speedway dollars' (monopoly type money for refreshments in the circuit catering places) and a $150 gift certificate for the souvenir shops.
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Old 30 Jun 2005, 12:26 (Ref:1343771)   #14
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Guys, can I nudge this thread back on track which is the cost of test days being approx half that of a race day.

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I have had a short e-mail from Chris ref the earlier comments and he is going to try and find out when he speaks to the MSA next week. At least the ball has been set in motion.
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Considering how much the FIA rakes out of the GPs around the world, they seem to put precious little back into it as far as us marshals are concerned. Certainly testing day marshals should be paid for at the going rate. When I did track days marshalling for a commercial operation, including the Kit car club, I got £75 cash for the day ( as an instrucot i got a lot more but that's a different matter). Race marshalling is my hobby though, but I would say we should receive a better contribution to expenses than we currently get, and I too have heard the stories about how much the MSA get per marshal, from £75 to £100 per marshall, so for us to get only £15 of it........... where does the rest go?
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Guys, can I nudge this thread back on track which is the cost of test days being approx half that of a race day.

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Thanks, Steve. I am genuinely interested in these figures, for no reason other than I'm a bit sad that way!

I can't see where the original total comes from and I'm even more curious as to why testing would be half when they appear to be looking for the same level of cover. As an aside, I'm vaguely curious about what is provided for marshals in other countries. There are plenty of threads on the 'What do we want for doing this?' theme, but on this one I'm interested in what do FIA/the Teams expect for their £200k.
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I appologise my comment was a little off thread, i had worked all night and should have been asleep. I am also interested in the figures too. things make much more sense when your awake
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Where I am concerned I am not bothered about payment at an F1 event.......... I simply don't do them. The FIA stinks in my opinion and hence I will not go to a 'megabucks' F1 meeting and get treated like the lowest of the low.

It amazes me how many marshals will moan and groan about how they are treated at Silverstone and the like.......... but like silly people I bet they keep turning up! The question I have to ask is........... Why?

Show that you are not prepared to accept poor treatment...... do not volunteer. That will make the power-brokers sit up and take notice.
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How much of that cost figure is insurance I wonder?
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How much of that cost figure is insurance I wonder?
Considering the fact that there have been a couple of marshal's killed in recent years I would anticipate that it is a fair bit.

Sad to say but it's a sign of the times
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Where I am concerned I am not bothered about payment at an F1 event.......... I simply don't do them. The FIA stinks in my opinion and hence I will not go to a 'megabucks' F1 meeting and get treated like the lowest of the low.

It amazes me how many marshals will moan and groan about how they are treated at Silverstone and the like.......... but like silly people I bet they keep turning up! The question I have to ask is........... Why?

Show that you are not prepared to accept poor treatment...... do not volunteer. That will make the power-brokers sit up and take notice.
While I have some sympathy with your view (I'm not going to the GP), it is off topic, and is exactly the reason I put
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Folks,

As stated by Stephen, I have had a discussion on this with Colin Hilton, Chief Exec of the MSA.

The facts as I have been given them are as follows:-

1. The promoters of the GP are the BRDC
2. The MSA is the organisaing body - they are responsible for getting the volunteer officials etc.
3. The MSA receives NO funding for officials from the FIA
4. The promoters have to PAY the FIA in the region of £100,000 towards the costs of THEIR officials (Don't ask - I have no idea why it is so much)
5. Any deals for overalls etc for other GPs is purely down to whatever commercial arrangement the promoters can come up with.

I hope this lays to rest the rumour machine.

Have a great GP - I will be at Mallory as MSA steward for a BRSCC club race.

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