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13 Jun 2004, 22:05 (Ref:1002961)
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Williams & Toyota DQ'd
BBC Sport reports Williams & Toyota disqualified from Canadian GP for illegal cooling ducts. More details soon.
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13 Jun 2004, 22:11 (Ref:1002967)
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???? wtf?
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13 Jun 2004, 22:12 (Ref:1002968)
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They had illegal brake ducts or something, just read it over on autosport.com
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13 Jun 2004, 22:15 (Ref:1002969)
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So Glock gets 2 points on his debut?
Will Toyota or Williams appeal? Last edited by esorniloc; 13 Jun 2004 at 22:16. |
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13 Jun 2004, 22:17 (Ref:1002970)
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Yep, BBC reports a problem with the teams brake ducts on post race inspection - no specifics.
The amended result is... 1. M Schumacher 2. R Barrichello 3. J Button 4. G Fisichella 5. K Raikonnen 6. D Coulthard 7. T Glock 8. N Heidfeld F1Racing are reporting the result as though Panis still scores, though BBC says Glock finishes 7th, which doesn't make sense Last edited by Hazard; 13 Jun 2004 at 22:18. |
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13 Jun 2004, 22:20 (Ref:1002972)
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*News Flash* Williams and Toyota Disqualified!!!
Its understood that both the Williams of Ralf Schumacher and Juan Pablo Montoya,and the Toyota's of Olivier Panis and Cristiano Da Matta have been excluded from the results of the Canadian GP.
Its understood that after the race it was discovered that the brake ducts on the Williams and Toyota's were found not to comply with the regualtions. Its not known at this stage wheather either team will appeal. With that it alters the results with barrichello moving from 3rd to 2nd and button get another 3rd place after originally finishing 4th,fisi from 6th to 4th,kimi from 7th to 5th,dc from 9th to 6th,glock from 11th to 7th,heidfeld from 12th to 8th,klien from 13th to 9th and baumgartner from 14th to 10th. |
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13 Jun 2004, 22:22 (Ref:1002974)
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13 Jun 2004, 22:27 (Ref:1002975)
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although if they were illegal .they must be penalised .... it's shame really ..
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13 Jun 2004, 22:27 (Ref:1002976)
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Bloody hell! That's the most exciting F1 related event of the weekend.
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13 Jun 2004, 22:28 (Ref:1002977)
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The Williams statement seems fishy to me. Now we're awarded with another Ferrari 1-2.
I suppose it actually makes the championship closer, now Michael only has a 16 point lead instead of 18 - and I suppose Button not Ralf is the only threat Last edited by Hazard; 13 Jun 2004 at 22:29. |
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13 Jun 2004, 22:31 (Ref:1002978)
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Unfortunately you've been beaten to it! I feel a merge coming on...
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13 Jun 2004, 22:45 (Ref:1002984)
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Rules infringed, they're disqualified, they've accepted it.
No big worries - and attention can move on to Indianapolis now. |
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13 Jun 2004, 23:10 (Ref:1002996)
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Seems odd to have a rule that limits airflow to just cool something!
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13 Jun 2004, 23:19 (Ref:1003003)
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I really am not amused. Surely the teams should be able to run what ever cooling they like. Increased cooling lowers performance surely!
But rules are rules I guess.
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13 Jun 2004, 23:27 (Ref:1003007)
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i would like to see the rules pertaining towards coolant or brake ducting sizes...
what an odd thing to break the rules on, and what a wierd thing they didn't catch postqualifying or in parc ferme, or something...if you are going to cheat they should have put turbos on the V10 and soked the field and get DQ'd for something really big |
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13 Jun 2004, 23:42 (Ref:1003013)
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13 Jun 2004, 23:43 (Ref:1003014)
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13 Jun 2004, 23:58 (Ref:1003019)
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I'm quite surprised that any top teams would flout the rules, but on a circuit as tough as Montreal on the brakes, such illegal modifications would play quite a significant difference in the race.
Unfortunately, punishments have to be met out..but i do feel sorry for Ralf It's strange that coincidentally, 2 works supported teams were found to breach the rules in the same way on the same race. |
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14 Jun 2004, 00:02 (Ref:1003020)
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p and grumpy1,
I do see your point, and it is a very fair one. However, if the teams are allowed to have fancy electronics on engines and such, for example rev limiters and traction control to prevent potential problems, reliabiltity and binabilty why can't they cool the brakes as they see fit? After all, these days are the last of the late brakers. If everyone is always looking after their brakes, passing gets difficult and that is a big problem at the mo. The tyres are so good now you need good brakes. 15-20 years ago the whole car had to be looked after. Why now just the brakes? If they want to curb brakes, make steel discs mandatory. Sorry, but I agree to disagree here. Stupid rule. |
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14 Jun 2004, 00:20 (Ref:1003027)
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I never said it was a good rule.There have to be limitations on the whole thing.Carbon Fibre brakes are the natural progression to where these cars are at performance wise.The old steel rotors would melt if subjected to the cars of today.
The rule on the diamentions is the same for all teams so it is only natural that if you bend the rule your penilised.It would be the same if they ran a larger front wing.Illegal advantage same result. The Grumpy1 |
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14 Jun 2004, 01:27 (Ref:1003042)
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Some red faces for Gasgoine and Michaels for sure. Tough luck, but I guess that brings my boy up to 4th!
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14 Jun 2004, 01:50 (Ref:1003048)
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Firstly, I wonder if those sympathetic to Williams here would be the same had it been Michael & Rubins cars caught with an illegal modification? I think not.
Anyway, I agree it does sound like a silly rule, but there is no doubt more too it that we are aware. And if open break cooling was allowed, the other cars in the field may have been faster as well. In short, do the crime, pay the fine. I find it amazing that a team as profesional as Williams would be caught out by this, very weird. Someone's head needs to be served up. And Toyota as well? If this is true someone should go back and check the F1-2003GA then, maybe its results can be challenged. 
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14 Jun 2004, 02:24 (Ref:1003063)
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Point 2. Its the same for all so tough.  Point 3. Agreed break the rules cop it sweat.  Point 4. What are you suggesting Wrex Ferrari broke the rules? The Grumpy1
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14 Jun 2004, 02:34 (Ref:1003067)
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OOPS !!!!!!!!!!!!
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14 Jun 2004, 02:39 (Ref:1003071)
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This cooling infraction makes me hot under the collar.I lost a point in the competition !!
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